Will the 40 series drop in price

number45_

Member
I am holding off on getting a new PC as I've seen various people in other threads recommending waiting until the 50 series are out mainly so people who want the performance are not buying last gen when the new one is around the corner.

I personally don't see the need in getting the latest gen card as I don't play enough games on PC to justify the cost, but I would like a PC that can run the occasional game on my 1440p / 120Hz monitor even if it needs to be lower FPS or settings. From my understanding a 40 series card (although not sure what one) would be better for that than a 30 series and would be more upgradable in future.

I was wondering though, will the 40 series cards drop in price due to them now becoming last gen. Even if it will take a few months, would it be worth waiting to pick up a slightly cheaper 40 series PC. Or will any price drop not be significant enough or will the price just never drop.

I'm going to have to bite the bullet this year and buy a new system as my current PC doesn't support Windows 11. But I don't want to buy something that will be £100 / £200 cheaper in a few months.
 

TonyCarter

VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
A 40-series is no more 'upgradable' than a 30-series...as long as the PC has an adequate PSU to sufficiently power it.

As to prices, we'd assume prices will come down...but it's pure guesswork when, by how much, and whether they'll be VFM.
 

doates

Bronze Level Poster
What about 40 series stock here? How does pcs set there gpu prices for systems? im not impressed with 50 series. price per dollar looks not great and the power effiecency is too similar to 40 series if not worse
 

doates

Bronze Level Poster
Ah i undestand but there may of been a pattern etc. Ill wait for the 5080 reviews but im thinking a 4080 super will be a better buy. If im wrong some advice would be appretiated.
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
Ah i undestand but there may of been a pattern etc. Ill wait for the 5080 reviews but im thinking a 4080 super will be a better buy. If im wrong some advice would be appretiated.
4080 Super stopped productiin quite a while ago, so prices are only likely to increase as stocks run out
 

MrWilson

Godlike
GPU Pricing is a contentious topic, and will likely be asked frequently over the next few weeks.

The first two disclaimers are that the vast majority of forum users, including mods, do not work for PCS. Even contacting PCS directly might not help you as PCS, as a system integrator business, will price their GPUs based on the price they can get them in at, and they cannot predict how this will change over time, although with production of many 4000 series cards ending, we may expect an increase.

The second disclaimer is that we are not psychic, and we cannot predict how the GPU market will change with the new generation releasing. If we could predict that we would not be here, we would be off in the stock market becoming very wealthy! :p

PCS is very good in having an open box policy, where you can upgrade components from your original build yourself without voiding the warranty. This means you have a multitude of options, including using the upgrade feature with PCS or ordering a GPU from PCS, buying from another GPU vendor, or buying from the second hand market.

Value is another contentious topic, and there are multiple aspects to assess with value. Arguably the most important value aspect is raw performance, which is why rasterisation is seen as the main performance metric, and price per frame calculated accordingly, and this is why many people are critical of Nvidia's marketing of the 5000 series using AI based software to suggest significant performance increases.
Feature set is another consideration with value, to consider how much you value improved features such as MFG, DLSS 4.0 etc. If the 4080 and 5080 had the same performance, how much would you pay for the improved feature set?
Power efficiency is another consideration. The 5090 is the new top performer, but it's also more power hungry than the 4090 to get there. Is performance per watt a factor for you to consider?
The second hand market could be a whole debate on its own, but again from a value point, how much of a discount would motivate you to take the plunge on a used GPU? Only you can answer that.

To sum up, everyone's individual circumstance is different and everyone has different priorities when it comes to value. This means there is no one size fits all answer. At the end of the day, it is your money to spend, you can heed the advice of other users or you can go with what feels right for you.
 

MrWilson

Godlike
To use a personal example as a case study, I am looking to upgrade from my PCS system I bought in 2021 with an RTX 3070 card. Using PCS's upgrade system I could get a 4080 Super for around £960, or a 7900XTX for around £820. FWIW this is cheaper than prices I can find listed elsewhere. Next week the 5080 and 5090 release, I can try and get a 5080 FE for £979. There is also the option of looking on the second hand market for a 4080(Super)/90.

For my personal reasons I am looking to try and get a 5080 FE, as this is only costing marginally more than the 4080 Super I could get, and I can see enough value in that price to justify this move. If I was a bit tighter on cash, I might look at the 7900 XTX, or wait for the 9070XT or RTX 5070(ti) to come out in the next few weeks. Some people in my shoes might go for the XTX, or look for something in the second hand market, and those are both valid choices too, and it's their money to make these decisions with.
 

Martinr36

MOST VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
To use a personal example as a case study, I am looking to upgrade from my PCS system I bought in 2021 with an RTX 3070 card. Using PCS's upgrade system I could get a 4080 Super for around £960, or a 7900XTX for around £820. FWIW this is cheaper than prices I can find listed elsewhere. Next week the 5080 and 5090 release, I can try and get a 5080 FE for £979. There is also the option of looking on the second hand market for a 4080(Super)/90.

For my personal reasons I am looking to try and get a 5080 FE, as this is only costing marginally more than the 4080 Super I could get, and I can see enough value in that price to justify this move. If I was a bit tighter on cash, I might look at the 7900 XTX, or wait for the 9070XT or RTX 5070(ti) to come out in the next few weeks. Some people in my shoes might go for the XTX, or look for something in the second hand market, and those are both valid choices too, and it's their money to make these decisions with.
And there's me, still using a 2070 super that I picked up second hand, wish I could warrant upgrading it, but alas I need the cash for other things (poor OAP here) 😉😂
 

number45_

Member
Thanks for pointing out this isn't as simple as the way I was looking at it. Feel a bit stupid now tbh as it's kind of obvious :rolleyes:

I think instead of spending time waiting for price drops on GPUs I should spend it figuring out what would suit me best, do some research and try to decide the route I want to go. Sometimes getting some input helps you get out the echo chamber of your own head.
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
Thanks for pointing out this isn't as simple as the way I was looking at it. Feel a bit stupid now tbh as it's kind of obvious :rolleyes:

I think instead of spending time waiting for price drops on GPUs I should spend it figuring out what would suit me best, do some research and try to decide the route I want to go. Sometimes getting some input helps you get out the echo chamber of your own head.
If you go through the following, we can advise based on the information requested, no need to go it alone if you're not familiar with hardware

 

CoSh

Member
I'm still rocking the lowly GTX1080, it goes to show how truly superb these GTX1000 series cards were though, this thing still kills at 1440p
I've been playing console for the last however many years but the last system I built still sits here with beauty of an overclocked 970, it's performance was really close to the stock 1070 (although I'd imagine the 1070 would have access to better features). Fantastic cpu in that system also, i5-2500K, comfortably overclocks to 4.4GHz, I had it at 5.0 for a while but didn't see any benefit. I think I'm looking to get a 5080 for new system that should be going together over the next few weeks, can't wait to get back to PC gaming tbh, seeing you mention the 1070 brings it all back!
 

number45_

Member
Apologies for yet another thread with a build around the 1500-2000 mark but I didn't want to butt into other peoples posts with my (many) questions. Also apologies for the massive post, my brain just dumps questions out sometimes.

I've put together the following build from reading around the forums and checking some performance comparisons. I will be using it for office / browsing . watching streaming, some development work (mainly web so nothing too strenuous) and a little gaming. My Monitor is a Dell S2721DGFA. Budget would be max £2000.

I haven't included a second HDD as I'm thinking of transferring the secondary HDD from my current PC to the new one. However that drive is almost 10 years old and is only 1TB, although it currently has 600GB free. Not only am I slightly concerned with HDD failure (especially after a work HDD failed), I'm also aware that if I have a PC capable of running newer AAA games and do so, that free space could rapidly disappear. Is it worth springing for a new second drive, if so would HDD or SSD be a better choice.

I assume the answer to this will be yes but just want to confirm. Will this card be good enough to run newer AAA games on my monitor at a decent frame rate (say 60-120fps) even if I have to crank the settings down. I probably wont be doing a lot of gaming and most of that will be slightly older games but I do want to be able to play the odd new release that catches my eye.

I have a Windows 10 retail license that I will be transferring to Windows 11 so have gone for no OS. Does that mean the PC will come with no OS installed at all or does PCS install one but just leave it without a license for customers who choose no OS.

And finally, I've tried to future proof the build a bit so future upgrading will be easier. But I'm not sure whether I've gone overboard, underboard (that a word) or just right with that, particularly with the power supply and cooling.

Case
CORSAIR 3500X ARGB TEMPERED GLASS MID-TOWER (BLACK)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz CL36 (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB GIGABYTE RADEON™ RX 7800 XT GAMING OC - 2 x HDMI, 2 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR H100x RGB ELITE HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days
Price: £1,775.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/zJKxC3Encc/
 

Nursemorph

Silver Level Poster
To answer your questions:

1) Unless the drive from your old system is an M.2 drive, then I'd would just use it for pure storage. For gaming etc you really want a fast M.2 drive...even normal SSDs can struggle with some recent games

2) Yes, it will. As you say, you may need to turn some settings down a bit but it should be adequate for your purposes given "a little gaming".

3) PCS install a locked down version of Windows for testing purposes. However, it is not recommended to use it is not set up properly for normal use and you would be almost guaranteed to have issues. When you receive the system, you'd need to install Windows fresh

I'd be looking at something like this...slightly over the budget but, in my opinion, worth the extra:

Case
CORSAIR 3500X ARGB TEMPERED GLASS MID-TOWER (BLACK)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X870-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7) - A newer motherboard which will give more longevity if you want to upgrade to a newer CPU down the road
Memory (RAM)

32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz CL36 (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB GIGABYTE RADEON™ RX 7800 XT GAMING OC - 2 x HDMI, 2 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 3325MB/sW) - As mentioned, a faster second drive
Power Supply

CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR ICUE LINK TITAN 280 RX RGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER - Much newer cooler which is more efficient and quieter than the one you listed
Thermal Paste

STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days
Price: £2,034.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/uFNhBmg0dj/
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Apologies for yet another thread with a build around the 1500-2000 mark but I didn't want to butt into other peoples posts with my (many) questions. Also apologies for the massive post, my brain just dumps questions out sometimes.

I've put together the following build from reading around the forums and checking some performance comparisons. I will be using it for office / browsing . watching streaming, some development work (mainly web so nothing too strenuous) and a little gaming. My Monitor is a Dell S2721DGFA. Budget would be max £2000.

I haven't included a second HDD as I'm thinking of transferring the secondary HDD from my current PC to the new one. However that drive is almost 10 years old and is only 1TB, although it currently has 600GB free. Not only am I slightly concerned with HDD failure (especially after a work HDD failed), I'm also aware that if I have a PC capable of running newer AAA games and do so, that free space could rapidly disappear. Is it worth springing for a new second drive, if so would HDD or SSD be a better choice.

I assume the answer to this will be yes but just want to confirm. Will this card be good enough to run newer AAA games on my monitor at a decent frame rate (say 60-120fps) even if I have to crank the settings down. I probably wont be doing a lot of gaming and most of that will be slightly older games but I do want to be able to play the odd new release that catches my eye.

I have a Windows 10 retail license that I will be transferring to Windows 11 so have gone for no OS. Does that mean the PC will come with no OS installed at all or does PCS install one but just leave it without a license for customers who choose no OS.

And finally, I've tried to future proof the build a bit so future upgrading will be easier. But I'm not sure whether I've gone overboard, underboard (that a word) or just right with that, particularly with the power supply and cooling.

Case
CORSAIR 3500X ARGB TEMPERED GLASS MID-TOWER (BLACK)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz CL36 (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB GIGABYTE RADEON™ RX 7800 XT GAMING OC - 2 x HDMI, 2 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR H100x RGB ELITE HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days
Price: £1,775.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/zJKxC3Encc/


Given you're only after a little gaming, do you think the 9800X3D is worth it? IT's around £150 more than the likes of the 9700X. There is a difference between them when it comes to gaming, but I don't think it's enough to warrant the cost when it's not a primary use. The 9700X should typically offer more performance in the other scenarios.

The monitor looks good and the GPU is a fair shout for your considerations, as suggested above some typical tweaks to the settings will see a good experience. I'm not so sure the 9800X3D will add to that experience or offer value for money. It's a more typical choice for avid gamers.
 

number45_

Member
Given you're only after a little gaming, do you think the 9800X3D is worth it? IT's around £150 more than the likes of the 9700X. There is a difference between them when it comes to gaming, but I don't think it's enough to warrant the cost when it's not a primary use. The 9700X should typically offer more performance in the other scenarios.

The monitor looks good and the GPU is a fair shout for your considerations, as suggested above some typical tweaks to the settings will see a good experience. I'm not so sure the 9800X3D will add to that experience or offer value for money. It's a more typical choice for avid gamers.
I think I'll drop the processor down a notch then and get the upgrades suggested by nursemorph. I kinda picked the better processor as the build came in a bit under my budget without the second drive so I figured why not. But if the 9800X3D is overkill I might as well save the £150 as I can always upgrade later should my needs change.
 
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