Just ordered the most expensive laptop I never thought I'd need.
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There's a frustration that you have to be aware of. The queries are already considered, the advice given and the reasons and justification is provided along with it all. Re-visiting the same queries is just going to get the same answer, only more pointed as the thread has already been there. As time goes on you may get more of the same opinions coming your way, but the reasoning for it all is sound as far as I've been aware of.
'Ye cannae change the laws of physics'
I can totally understand your reasoning for not wanting the liquid cooler, it's a personal choice.... you have to be aware that you may not get the full potential of the laptop though. Well, IMO you certainly won't. The main consideration is whether you will notice though, given your uses. You could likely save money, but it's better to have the option when the budget is there IMO, more so than ever with a laptop.
I think it's harder to consider what would be the best choice without the water cooling as the TDP headroom without it should be known.
Everyone must keep in mind that it's your choice and your money. Everyone needs to respect your choice whether they feel it is ill fitting or not. I would ask all to be respectful of the choices, even when not agreed with. What I would ask you to keep in mind is that the advice won't change as the parameters haven't changed, so asking again will only receive the same answer. To get the most out of that laptop you will want the cooler as well.
Good news though. If you decide you want it later on, you can always purchase it. It is easily disconnected as well, so you will still retain portability, even if you may leave some performance on the table with those days away.
'Ye cannae change the laws of physics'
I can totally understand your reasoning for not wanting the liquid cooler, it's a personal choice.... you have to be aware that you may not get the full potential of the laptop though. Well, IMO you certainly won't. The main consideration is whether you will notice though, given your uses. You could likely save money, but it's better to have the option when the budget is there IMO, more so than ever with a laptop.
I think it's harder to consider what would be the best choice without the water cooling as the TDP headroom without it should be known.
Everyone must keep in mind that it's your choice and your money. Everyone needs to respect your choice whether they feel it is ill fitting or not. I would ask all to be respectful of the choices, even when not agreed with. What I would ask you to keep in mind is that the advice won't change as the parameters haven't changed, so asking again will only receive the same answer. To get the most out of that laptop you will want the cooler as well.
Good news though. If you decide you want it later on, you can always purchase it. It is easily disconnected as well, so you will still retain portability, even if you may leave some performance on the table with those days away.
They have redesigned the water connection for this generation so leaks, if any, should be a thing of the past. It's still a self sealing quick disconnect but has clips to keep it secure.
Mine has the magnetic coupling and it has never, ever leaked for me.
Please, get the water-cooler for your new laptop, you'll not regret it. For the times you need to take your laptop out then yeah, running without the water-cooler will be fine subject to a bit of throttling under those heavy workloads. When at home/in your office connect up the cooler and then the laptop will really fly.
You'll have the best of both worlds....go for it.
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Not out of stock, hasn't been released yet.I see they are out of stock anyway so I have time to ponder over it.
Clintster
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Just been looking over my order and I see I ordered the Corsair 1 tb ssd. There is also a Crucial 1 tb which is £70 more but twice as fast. I'm thinking that for my use case, Lora training, a faster drive might be advantageous.
What do you all think, has crucial got a good name in drives? will I notice the speed difference?
What do you all think, has crucial got a good name in drives? will I notice the speed difference?
TonyCarter
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They both have the same endurance (600TBW), so that's what normally would tip the balance, as if you're constantly writing large datasets to the drive it will 'wear out'...eventually.
Whilst they both have a 'psuedo-cache' (i.e. they save some space on the drive to use as SLC storage, which is faster than the rest which is TLC), and will write it to the slower part of the SSD when it's not busy...the Corsair Elite MP600 only has 24GB of this cache vs the 110GB the T705 has.
Whether the speed will make much difference in your workload, I don't really know...it may be that the CPU/GPU are the bottleneck, not the storage.
Clintster
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I need advice from some who knows about SSD drives.
I am getting a 1TB drive which I requested be partitioned in half.
I was going to put windows on one half and install programs on the other half along with storage of video and images.
It has been suggested that the SSD would perform better if left as one partition.
Anyone care to enlighten me?
Would I be better off buying a fast SSD for the programs etc and a smaller, slower SSD for windows?
I am getting a 1TB drive which I requested be partitioned in half.
I was going to put windows on one half and install programs on the other half along with storage of video and images.
It has been suggested that the SSD would perform better if left as one partition.
Anyone care to enlighten me?
Would I be better off buying a fast SSD for the programs etc and a smaller, slower SSD for windows?
TonyCarter
VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
Each SSD has a single controller, so having 2 partitions means having any access requests share that single route...which means it can be slower to access when there's lots going on.
Secondly, there's no safety net, performance benefit, or security benefit of having 2 partitions, as if the drive fails, the whole thing is toast.
I'm sure someone would have posted the reasoning for multiple drives before...but if they haven't here's the sticky post about them...
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It's much simpler on a desktop with a decent motherboard as you can have 4/5/6 SSDs (of varying generations) to split everything nicely. On a laptop I think the norm is 2, with some higher-end Intel ones offering 4. But I'd prefer some external SSDs anyway, as they can be physically detached and stored somewhere secure if need be.
Secondly, there's no safety net, performance benefit, or security benefit of having 2 partitions, as if the drive fails, the whole thing is toast.
I'm sure someone would have posted the reasoning for multiple drives before...but if they haven't here's the sticky post about them...
Why more than one storage drive?
I've been meaning to put something like this together for a while. In recent weeks I've found myself writing this more and more so thought I would just post my thoughts in a thread that I could link to. So the reason for this thread is to try and give insight as to the reasoning behind having...
It's much simpler on a desktop with a decent motherboard as you can have 4/5/6 SSDs (of varying generations) to split everything nicely. On a laptop I think the norm is 2, with some higher-end Intel ones offering 4. But I'd prefer some external SSDs anyway, as they can be physically detached and stored somewhere secure if need be.
TonyCarter
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A decent gen4 SSD will be plenty (c.7000MB/s read), but there's no harm (other than the extra £70 from your wallet and extra heat they produce) of getting a newer gen5 SSD (14,000MB/s read). In a desktop I'd have no worries, but getting rid of heat in laptops is a bit more difficult...and they will slow down if they get too hot.
I have the T700 SSD in my desktop and it doesn't feel any faster in booting/operations than my original Solidigm P44 Pro...except in benchmarks tools.
Clintster
Bronze Level Poster
ok, I'm thinking of changing my order to 2 X Corsair 1tb mp600, instead of the one crucial t705 1tb with a 50/50 partition.
I realise it will give me the advantage of more space but I will be losing out on some ssd speed, will the two ssd's run cooler than the one?
Does this sound like a good move?
I realise it will give me the advantage of more space but I will be losing out on some ssd speed, will the two ssd's run cooler than the one?
Does this sound like a good move?
TonyCarter
VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
Each will produce less heat individually, so will be easier to cool with the thermal strips and cooling in place. Plus the extra space on each will keep them both operating at their best performance for longer too.