Gaming PC £2000 roughly

[gerbster]

Hello I've just recently come into a little bit of money and am looking to purchase a new PC which I will mostly use for gaming, I also like to take some pictures of nature mostly mushrooms ( am a complete novice ), sometimes I make some videos whilst out camping ( I'm not a youtuber just make them for myself ).

I really have no idea when it comes to all the tech stuff so if possible I humbly ask for some help with the spec side of things ( sorry to be a pain ).

I'm looking to spend around £2000 (+£100 Max).

I really don't care for all the colourful lights, I'm more of a plain person if that helps at all ( I'm in my 40's ).

I would rather not have some kind of fancy case, just something plain if at all possible.

I play games like Rust, sniper elite, zombie army, civ, total warhammer.

I have a 1440p G-sync 240hz monitor.

I don't really know the difference between a m.2 and an ssd but I have rust on my m.2 and it's great as the load times are very quick but it's only 256 or something like that, if possible something the same but larger so I can put some more games on the quicker drive for load times would be nice ( again I don't really have any idea what I'm talking about so sorry about this ).

My second drive is 1tb, maybe I can go up to 2tb so I have more room for storing my pictures, and videos. It would be nice to have a little more storage, I don't think I need massive amounts of storage though. Or maybe a bigger ssd/m.2 and keep the 1tb?

Do you think it's worthwhile getting 32gb ram or is 16bg more than enough? I quite often have lots of tabs open at the same time, my brain can be a bit weird...

For most of my gaming pc's in my life I've been intel and nvidea, I'm not sure if things have changed and amd is better or not, again I have no real idea what's good and not, I'm not really bothered if this changes but I kind of stick with the same things as I'm neuro diverse and have adhd. You guys are the experts here so it stands to reason that you know better, I just wanted to point out that I'm more used to intel/nvidea ( Sorry if this makes no sense I'm not trying to be a pain just explaining things as best as I can ).

I'm looking to purchase reasonable soon, I understand that technology upgrades quite fast so I'm not sure when is a "good time" to buy, but yes as stated looking to buy hopefully in a week or 2 max ( You can shout at me saying "Wait you bloody fool until X'Y'Z is out as this will be loads better ).

I apologise if I have missed anything important out, please ask any questions that you think might help out with the specs.

Thankyou very much in advance for your help.

 

[MrWilson]

Thanks for the detailed information.

I would recommend coming back on the 27th as the new generation of AMD CPUs will be out on a new platform. There are further releases including 13th gen Intel and new GPUs from Nvidia and AMD, but I also understand wanting to buy sooner rather than later.

 

[gerbster]

Thanks for the reply, this seems sensible. I'll come by next Wednesday 28th so the dust has settled somewhat.

 

[gerbster]

Hello I'm back again to ask for advice.
I feel like I left out some important information in my haste to purchase a new PC, sorry about that but I'm an extremally compulsive person...

Lets start with the monitor: The monitor I have is great but I'm looking to buy a new monitor ( I did not disclose this in my original post, I'd set aside an additional budget of roughly £600 ) this was the one I was thinking about AOC Gaming U28G2XU. I have no idea if this is good for the price or anything like that, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
The reasons for getting a new monitor are, last Christmas I bought a Go pro hero 10 black for the purpose of trying to make my own videos for myself, I'm not a youtuber I just really liked the idea of being able to make some videos so I could look back and keep records. From the brief information I did read it said it takes decent pictures ( I really didn't want one of those fancy cameras where you have to twist the lens thingy and all that stuff ). 2nd reason for a new monitor was simply my current monitor is not 4k so basically I couldn't use the 4k+ function to be able to see that resolution. I thought well if your going to buy a 4k monitor you may as well get a fairly decent one that could play 4k games at 144hz if I'm going to buy a new pc.

Storage space: I'd like to have separate drives for games ( games would be ideally a fast load time, would be nice to have 500gb min, 1tb max ) and another for my photos and videos please ( I really doubt I'd need more than 2tb ).

Date of purchase: Ideally I'd like to buy ASAP ( My compulsiveness can be a real problem ), having read through some of the posts on here I hear there's going to be more tech stuff coming out. I'd really like to buy before Christmas at the very latest, as in have it in my living room all set up with me playing games, editing some videos and playing around with pictures etc... I really don't know if there is a "good time to buy" due to the speed of technology releases. Basically the sooner the better but am willing to listen to you lovely people who actually know what you're talking about.

Price point: I stated that £2100 would be the maximum ( Not including the monitor ). I've been playing around with the build your own computer, I have no idea what's good or needed or anything like that but that total doesn't seem possible for what I would like the machine to be capable of ( see below ), I'd be willing to adjust this a small amount if needed.

What I'd like if possible: A pc that's capable of playing games in 4k at 144hz without having limited FPS whilst playing games ( no reason to get a 4k 144hz monitor if I can only get less than 60fps? My basic understanding of 144hz is this number is related to FPS, most probably got this wrong as I have no understanding of these things ). My total budget would ideally not exceed £3000 ( PC and monitor ), there's a saying in the camping community "Buy once, cry once" I'm not sure this translates to the tech world as things move quite fast.

Random thoughts and other stuff which may or may not be of any help:
- I presume more and more games will be 4k, this is 1 reasons for the 4k machine. The games I listed are just some of the ones I play, when new ones come out I will more than likely buy those.
- The whole not wanting fancy lighting thing is my preference if for some reason it's cheaper to get the fancy lighting is there a way to disable it or if you have to have it on could PCS make it so that it just stays one colour?
- I'm not a professional video/photographer just an amateur that has some fun with doing these things.
- Some help with a monitor choice would be great as I have no idea what I'm talking about.
- I tend to have fixations on different things, the only things that haven't really ever changed are computer gaming and camping (30+ years). I'm not sure how to best describe it but basically my brain goes WOW this is my new thing and I become completely absorbed with whatever subject this has happened too.
- I became really interested in mushrooms just over a year ago it happened by accident ( Like a lot of my fixations ) when I stumbled across 3 giant puffballs. It's a really complex topic but I've really enjoyed going out and finding them and trying to ID them, I never eat them I just like going out finding them and trying to ID them.

Finally thanks for the time to read through my post I find it really hard to get the information out of my head into writing, this post alone has taken me well over an hour to write and I'm not sure if I've managed to do a good job in doing so. If I've left out any information you think is important please don't hesitate to ask any questions ( I'll be back later this evening ).

 

[sck451]

Hello I'm back again to ask for advice.
I feel like I left out some important information in my haste to purchase a new PC, sorry about that but I'm an extremally compulsive person...

Lets start with the monitor: The monitor I have is great but I'm looking to buy a new monitor ( I did not disclose this in my original post, I'd set aside an additional budget of roughly £600 ) this was the one I was thinking about AOC Gaming U28G2XU. I have no idea if this is good for the price or anything like that, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
The reasons for getting a new monitor are, last Christmas I bought a Go pro hero 10 black for the purpose of trying to make my own videos for myself, I'm not a youtuber I just really liked the idea of being able to make some videos so I could look back and keep records. From the brief information I did read it said it takes decent pictures ( I really didn't want one of those fancy cameras where you have to twist the lens thingy and all that stuff ). 2nd reason for a new monitor was simply my current monitor is not 4k so basically I couldn't use the 4k+ function to be able to see that resolution. I thought well if your going to buy a 4k monitor you may as well get a fairly decent one that could play 4k games at 144hz if I'm going to buy a new pc.

Looks like a good monitor (unless you want to use a current-gen console on it too). Personally I'm a little hesitant to recommend 4K 144Hz as it's a price premium not only for the display itself, but also in what it demands of the PC. Personally I'd go for 1440p 144+Hz or 1440p ultrawide instead, as the demands are just a little less. I'd suggest either the MSI MAG275QRF-QD for just under £500, personally, but there are plenty of other options.

Storage space: I'd like to have separate drives for games ( games would be ideally a fast load time, would be nice to have 500gb min, 1tb max ) and another for my photos and videos please ( I really doubt I'd need more than 2tb ).

The best option would be to have separate gaming and boot drives, both fast M.2 SSDs, and a hard drive for photos and videos where speed matters less. This is better for ease of upgrades, for speed in some situations (quite rare admittedly in gaming) and for the best use of budget.

Date of purchase: Ideally I'd like to buy ASAP ( My compulsiveness can be a real problem ), having read through some of the posts on here I hear there's going to be more tech stuff coming out. I'd really like to buy before Christmas at the very latest, as in have it in my living room all set up with me playing games, editing some videos and playing around with pictures etc... I really don't know if there is a "good time to buy" due to the speed of technology releases. Basically the sooner the better but am willing to listen to you lovely people who actually know what you're talking about.

It's an OK time to buy. You could wait for a month or two to see if prices come down a little, or if Intel's new generation offers better value for money. In the new year, AMD's v-cache CPUs are likely to blow everything else away, but that might be February.

Price point: I stated that £2100 would be the maximum ( Not including the monitor ). I've been playing around with the build your own computer, I have no idea what's good or needed or anything like that but that total doesn't seem possible for what I would like the machine to be capable of ( see below ), I'd be willing to adjust this a small amount if needed.

Very strong budget: that's certainly achievable.

What I'd like if possible: A pc that's capable of playing games in 4k at 144hz without having limited FPS whilst playing games ( no reason to get a 4k 144hz monitor if I can only get less than 60fps? My basic understanding of 144hz is this number is related to FPS, most probably got this wrong as I have no understanding of these things ). My total budget would ideally not exceed £3000 ( PC and monitor ), there's a saying in the camping community "Buy once, cry once" I'm not sure this translates to the tech world as things move quite fast.

Hz is FPS, yes, broadly speaking (it is more complex, but it's all you ever really need to know).

What you want to do is buy smart and match your components to each other. That'll give you the best value for money, and give you a good base that you can always upgrade later.

Random thoughts and other stuff which may or may not be of any help:
- I presume more and more games will be 4k, this is 1 reasons for the 4k machine. The games I listed are just some of the ones I play, when new ones come out I will more than likely buy those.

You can always choose the resolution in a game. 4K is an option for old games; 1080p (or less!) is still an option for new games.

- The whole not wanting fancy lighting thing is my preference if for some reason it's cheaper to get the fancy lighting is there a way to disable it or if you have to have it on could PCS make it so that it just stays one colour?

Fancy lighting is the "gamer" aesthetic, which is mostly what PCS stocks. You can turn it off or turn it onto a solid colour. The only RGB in my system is the RAM, which is always solid white.

- I'm not a professional video/photographer just an amateur that has some fun with doing these things.

Any gaming PC will do a decent job with these.

- I tend to have fixations on different things, the only things that haven't really ever changed are computer gaming and camping (30+ years). I'm not sure how to best describe it but basically my brain goes WOW this is my new thing and I become completely absorbed with whatever subject this has happened too.

Me too! (I'm autistic and it's pretty typical of various kinds of neurodivergence..........)

I'll post a suggested spec in a separate post!

 

[sck451]

Case
CORSAIR iCUE 4000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX Case Good case, though an extra £50 would give you a significant improvement
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Eight Core CPU (4.5GHz-5.4GHz/40MB CACHE/AM5) Very strong gaming CPU, though the 7600X would probably also be sufficient
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (DDR5, PCIe 5.0) - RGB Ready! Motherboards are currently very expensive; come back in late October for cheaper B650 options
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5600MHz (2 x 16GB) The best option PCS stocks right now
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP, LHR Very good for 1440p gaming. Aiming for 4K with the 3080 costs an extra £250
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W) Very fast boot drive
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3500MB/sR | 2500MB/sW) Game storage drive
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE Photos and videos
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET The future is power-hungry!
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
Corsair iCUE H115i RGB PRO XT Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler Excellent cooler, which AMD's new series does really need
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003] If you already have a Windows licence you could transfer it to save £90ish
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £2,500.00 including VAT and Delivery With that £500 monitor, this is your budget!
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/mA7Z5hXyUf/

 

[SimonPeters116]

That ^ spec is almost exactly the same as what I've just this second bought. I want one of the new graphics cards, when they come on-stream next year, so I've bought a lower spec one to tide me over.
I came up with almost that on my own, left it up for a day, so these lads n lassies could correct any errors on my part. There was, they were corrected, I've just bought it 😁

 

[sck451]

That ^ spec is almost exactly the same as what I've just this second bought. I want one of the new graphics cards, when they come on-stream next year, so I've bought a lower spec one to tide me over.
I came up with almost that on my own, left it up for a day, so these lads n lassies could correct any errors on my part. There was, they were corrected, I've just bought it 😁

Wisdom of the crowd or hivemind, you choose!

 

[SimonPeters116]

Wisdom of the crowd or hivemind, you choose!

Great minds think alike ? 😂

 

[gerbster]

Hello again thanks very much for the replies!

I'm just trying to write some more questions and give some information, this may take me some time so I apologize for the slow response. I keep having to look at what's going on with government responses with what's currently going on, whilst trying to explain a little better for the new pc.

Don't mean to be a pain... I really appreciate your input as I have no real idea with tech stuff.

 

[gerbster]

So I have a couple more questions and maybe some things I'm not sure I got across very well, sorry about that.

I'm not sure I get the whole 4k thing if I'm honest.... I've tried to read up about it and it says 3840 x 2160 is 4k, the monitor you linked is 2560 x 1440 which is 2k if I'm correct? Is there much noticeable difference between the two? My brain is kind of stuck in it's thinking, it's saying I need a 4k monitor because I can shoot my GoPro in 4k, is it just a waste of money to get a 4k monitor? I read your bit about the 4k 144hz and it's demands on components, it stands to reason that what you suggested monitor wise with my current budget would be sensible. I'll only use the monitor for PC, I have no consoles.

With the graphics card I have another conundrum, what are the AMD GPU's like vs Nvida? I'm guessing the prices will drop in October when they release the 40 series? Following on from this you talked about the motherboard prices maybe coming down in October also, so it would make sense to wait until October ( possibly later ) to get better bang for my buck.

I saw there are 3 storage drives, I currently have a M.2 256gb and then a 1tb storage drive, I have a couple of games on the M.2 and some on the 1tb ( I don't have all my games currently downloaded as I need some space for videos and photos, I usually make the videos then delete them from my hard drive as they take up lots of space ). Would it be ok to make the 500GB SAMSUNG into a 1tb and remove the 1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD saving £33 or is this a really stupid idea. Maybe a better question is what are the benefits of the 3 drives vs 2 drives, also what type of things would I put on the 1st M.2 drive?

With the case I presume there would be better airflow to help keep temperatures down with the one costing extra, both those models have lights on them, is it easy to either turn them off or if you have to have them on just keep it one colour?

I think I'm really going to hate this answer considering my compulsiveness, but it really does seem that my budget wouldn't currently get a 4k 144hz pc with matching monitor at this particular time, maybe early next year would be better. Do you guys think that 4k 144hz is way overkill for the type of games I play? Please be honest as I'm totally out of my depth here. £3k* is a lot of money to spend in the current climate and I'm not sure if I even really need what I originally had thought. Basically I get things stuck in my head and usually what ever I think I go for, I'm trying to be sensible here ( for once.... ). The GoPro is a classic example of my usual way of thinking, I was like hey I really need a HERO Black 10 and BOOM I just went ahead and bought it without much thought. I have enough camping gear to open a bloody shop....

I'm really sorry if I've messed you around it wasn't my intention at all, it really does sound like I be better off waiting for a little while longer to get more value for money, saying this though with the rate that technology moves it's always just a month or two more for the latest upgrade... I really can't thank you enough for the help you've given me, I'm totally lost with these types of things, I hope this makes some kind of sense.

* I'm happy to spend 3k on a setup, it's just that I don't know when the 3k will be best spent if that makes any sense, I'm very compulsive.

 

[SimonPeters116]

I'm newly back into computers and having to relearn a lot about them, plus all the new stuff, so I may get a few things wrong.
I'll run you through the spec of that computer suggested for you, which I've just bought, and try to explain it in sections.

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Eight Core CPU (4.5GHz-5.4GHz/40MB CACHE/AM5) Very strong gaming CPU, though the 7600X would probably also be sufficient.
AMD, as you know, have just released their new generation of CPUs. The first ones are the 7600X, a 6 core 12 thread CPU; 7700X 8 core 16 threads, 4.5GHz base clock-5.4GHz max boost, 40 MB cache made up with 32MB plus another 1MB per core, AM5 socket, the socket up to now was AM4. The CPU has no pins to bend, the pins are on the socket instead. I also chose this CPU, on bang for buck grounds. The other two are Ryzen 9, the 7900X 12core 24 thread and 7950X 16c 32t. Those last two are much more expensive, but then work even faster, intended for creative work, like 3d modelling, video processing etc, much more than I would ever need, probably you too.

ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (DDR5, PCIe 5.0) - RGB Ready! Motherboards are currently very expensive; come back in late October for cheaper B650 options.
A good make motherboard. The X670 is all that's available right now, B650 will be the budget board from Asus. DDR5 is the latest RAM spec, not been on stream for long, not a big jump in comparison to DDR4. PCIe 5.0, you'll know PCIe, this is the newest spec. A bit more later on.

32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5600MHz (2 x 16GB) The best option PCS stocks right now.
THE best option, bang for buck, appears to be 6000MHz, but PCS doesn't have it in stock. There's also 6400 which is more expensive for not much more bang RAM hasn't changed what it does, just the size of chunk it can handle and the speed it can hand it on.
Drives
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W) Very fast boot drive,
PCIe again. These drives are what we used to dream about. Physically small, but essentially a big stick of RAM, like a SATA SSD but with a lot more data throughput through its multiple connections to the motherboard, via PCIe. This one will be your Boot drive, with Windows installed and nothing else. It should have you booted up and ready to play in seconds. 6900 MB/Read is very fast, just now, PCIe spec 5.0 is for even faster
The other 1TB NVMe PCIe SSD is a bit slower, but compared even to a SATA SSD, let alone a spiny disc HDD, is blindingly fast. Put your games on this, to save any delays in loading the next section of whatever game it is.
The 2TB SSD drive, a decent amount of space for photos, videos, office paperwork files etc. Stuff that doesn't need to be loaded quickly, even on HDD, you click a file, it opens in a moment anyway.

1000W power supply. Future proofing. You might not need 1000w today, but next year you probably will. Also many games now have huge spikes of power demand, just a microsecond, but enough to overload a 650W psu, so it switches off. These PSUs are modular too, only the cables you need for your computer are hooked up, the rest stay in the box until you want them to power an addition.

Corsair iCUE H115i RGB PRO XT Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler Excellent cooler, which AMD's new series does really need.
These CPUs run at around 90 degrees, with a peak of 95. Above that, the cpu is throttled back to keep the chip at 95 or below. We need liquid cooling to control these temperatures. Fins, fan and air isn't up to it, especially once the fins get a bit bunged up with fluff. The H100 is an 'old' liquid cooler with a noisy pump, I'm told. My first venture into liquid cooling too.

Monitors. You'll know the basic idea, a standard screen, 16:9 ratio, 1080p, 22" (across the diagonals) has 1080 pixels on the vertical axis. And a 34" 1080p monitor has exactly the same number of pixels. Each pixel being correspondingly larger, screen to screen. You reach a point where your straight lines become visibly stepped, etc. So we then got 1440p. Same again but smaller pixels.
This is where it gets confusing. I think it's like billionaire. In the UK, a billion was, a million million. However, in the USA, a billion is a thousand million. The UK newspapers got a hold of this, and because a billionaire sounds very impressive, started using that instead of A Thousand Million. A UK billion is now, a thousand million, due to enormous usage. Same principal with 4k. The monitor makers are advertising 4K because it sounds impressive in advertising. We're used to 720p, 1080p etc, the number of pixels on the vertical. If they now start saying 2K or 4K, what on earth do they mean? 2K pixels on the vertical? That's great. 4K ? Pixels on the vertical? WOW! Erm, Nope.
I'm buying a Gigabyte M34WQ-EK, ultrawide, 21:9 ratio 1440p, so 3440 pixels horizontal. 1 and a bit x 3 and a bit = 4k? Right?
The best I can offer is this, 4K refers to pixels on the horizontal. 2K must be the same, it's just a different way of saying pixel resolution/or size, for a given screen. Wikipedia, 4K resolution.

 

[sck451]

With the 4K thing, there's a big difference between media consumption (which is what the GoPro is all about) and gaming. For the former, even frame rates like 30fps are plenty. For gaming, you generally want over 100. Most TVs except those designed for gaming are limited to 60Hz for this reason. Pure resolution is just less necessary for gaming. The two aren't really comparable, and the cost difference is vast.

 

[gerbster]

Hello people I really appreciate the time you put into this!
Both users sck451 and SimonPeters116 have been incredibly helpful and patient, thankyou so much.

I'd like to say that this whole thing is definitely a me problem. In short I'm way too compulsive and I tend to get things stuck in head. This has kind of how my life has been. My brain says "hey you need this, get it" and before I've given any thought what so ever I've ended up purchasing whatever my brain has said this is a good idea... When it comes to this type of technology I'm at a total loss, my brain has said you need this, that and whatever...

I really have no idea where I got this whole 4k 144hz thing from, it's most probably because I thought it would be a good idea BUT like many of my good ideas at the time, it turns out my idea wasn't a good one. I've been trying to read up on the whole 4k 144hz monitor thing and pretty much everything says I'd be better off with a 1440p monitor with good refresh rate. I'm slowly coming to realize that what I thought would be good is actually really bad. Sorry about this, sometimes I need a little bit of time to adjust.

I'm going to go against my usual way of thinking and give it a day or two more before I purchase, just to get my brain in the right direction.
You people are amazing thanks for your patience and knowledge.

Here is a picture of one of my favourite fungus

it was taken from my crappy camera phone. It's commonly called a Jelly Ear fungus, they are quite common and safe to eat although they are used more for infusing flavour than eating like you would normally. I really like the way they look and especially the way they feel, if you pinch your ear lobe ( fairly softly ) that's what they kind of feel like. You can just about make out some really tiny ones, in the centre right of the picture.

Here's a link to a site that I use if you wanted to know more about them https://www.wildfooduk.com/mushroom-guide/wood-ears/

 

[SimonPeters116]

@gerbster I'm a bit like that too. I'll decide I want a new computer, well in fact I did decide I needed a new computer.
So I'll do a bit of research on what's available, and what I think I need, and what I can afford, then buy it. It doesn't have to be a computer, it could be anything.

I built the computer I'm using, in my sig', quite a few years ago. It's good for the games I was playing, probably not great, but good enough. It's good for office type programmes, web surfing and anything like that. Files open quickly, whatever they are. I thought it would do me until I got proper old, I'm only 63, so not proper old just yet But then I had a stroke. I've been earning a living as a truck driver for 30 years, the last 20 of those on international. You have a stroke, DVLA rescind your HGV licence for a year. Fair enough, they don't want people keeling over while driving 44 tonnes of child eating, flame belching, killer juggernauts. Once the year from your stroke, or last stroke, is up, you apply to get your HGV reinstated. I applied in July, I've had one letter from them since, in August. I'm still waiting for them to tell me what the next hoop I have to jump through is. I've done/doing physio, I'm fitter, to look at me, you probably wouldn't know. I've got a good boss, my job is waiting for me as soon as I get my licence back. The last line in that letter said, "don't contact us unless you have new evidence". That's DVLA speak for 'if you do, your file will mysteriously drop back in the Q'. So there's nothing I can do, except wait.

Anyway, back to computers 😊 I bought a game which looked just the thing for me, it was a brilliant game for me, but my computer was struggling to play it. That's what made me decide I needed a new computer. I've just spent £2k on a new computer, just so I can play a £20 game in all its glory 😂😂😂
Luckily, my research into what I wanted etc bought me to PCSpecialist, and this forum. I was convinced to wait until now, or even better, until next year. I couldn't wait that long, I've got a game that I have to play. During the wait, my sleepy old inner computer geek has woken up again. So I'm hanging around the forum, trying to help folk where I can, updating my knowledge and learning about the advances over the last several years. Those PCIe SSD drives for example, WOW

 

[SimonPeters116]

With the 4K thing, there's a big difference between media consumption (which is what the GoPro is all about) and gaming. For the former, even frame rates like 30fps are plenty. For gaming, you generally want over 100. Most TVs except those designed for gaming are limited to 60Hz for this reason. Pure resolution is just less necessary for gaming. The two aren't really comparable, and the cost difference is vast.

I need a bit more detail tbh. If you can.

FPS I get. 60fps, your eye/brain cannot see the interframe(?) flicker and your eye/brain just fills in and smooths the movement of a thing automatically.
At 30 fps, I think, your eye will see the interframe flicker, so a moving thing will be stuttery. I could easily be wrong here, but I seem to remember that 50(ish) is about the threshold. Obviously everyone is different, so it's different for each person.
Above 60 fps, movement is just smoother, your eye has less stutter to smooth out, even though your eye can't see the stutter.

I'm constantly seeing fps ads at 120, 144, 165, 240, for gaming monitors, with the justification being, these high (and expensive) frame rates will make the difference in an on-screen shoot out. Basically, HOW? Human reactions aren't that fast, are they? Say your screen refreshes twice as fast as mine, how does that help with how quickly you can get 'on target' and fire, in comparison to me? (Everything else being equal)
Another thing is the response times. Especially in gaming monitors, everyone claims 1ms response times. But in actual fact that is only under very specific conditions, and under normal usage, response times are around 4 to 6ms.

And finally, what is the difference between Hz and fps, in relation to monitors? Hz is cycles per second. UK mains electricity is at 50 Hz, American is 60 Hz. Fps, frames per second, or cycles per second, or Hz? Or so I thought anyway. Named after Herr Hertz, the German Physicist from a hundred n fifty, or so, years ago.

And finally 😜 If you can answer these questions, I will probably have more

 

[SpyderTracks]

At 30 fps, I think, your eye will see the interframe flicker, so a moving thing will be stuttery. I could easily be wrong here, but I seem to remember that 50(ish) is about the threshold.

Normal TV and Cinema is 24fps.

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Normal office / home PC is usually 60fps

Normal gaming is 144Hz

High refresh gaming is 240Hz up to 360fps, these are only worthwhile for a very small subset of humans who are literally superhuman and have 21/21 vision as well as lightning reaction speeds. Very few people can notice anything over 120fps for gaming.

FPS is Hz, it's the same thing, just that Hz is related to electrical signals rather than moving images. But it's how many times the screen is refreshed per second either by a new frame generated by the PC (FPS), or by the pixels resetting ready to show the next colour (Hz)

 

[SimonPeters116]

Normal TV and Cinema is 24fps.

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As low as that 😮
I'm very surprised, I really thought it was 50 ish fps.

FPS is Hz, it's the same thing, just that Hz is related to electrical signals rather than moving images. But it's how many times the screen is refreshed per second either by a new frame generated by the PC (FPS), or by the pixels resetting ready to show the next colour (Hz)

Ah, ok then. I think I've got that in my head now. Good chance it'll fall back out again, but I'll remember they're effectively the same thing

 

[SimonPeters116]

@gerbster
I've just read a post, in my 'The New Beast' thread, that 6000MHz DDR5 RAM is now available for pre-order in the configurator.
I've just changed my order from 5600 to 6000MHz ram, at the extortionate extra cost of......................... brace yourself.......................
..................wait for it................................
.........................£10.....................................
😮 😃 😃

 

[SpyderTracks]

@gerbster
I've just read a post, in my 'The New Beast' thread, that 6000MHz DDR5 RAM is now available for pre-order in the configurator.
I've just changed my order from 5600 to 6000MHz ram, at the extortionate extra cost of......................... brace yourself.......................
..................wait for it................................
.........................£10.....................................
😮 😃 😃

Absolutely worth it, 6000MHz does seem to be the current sweetspot