Cpu is overheating almost always.

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Iraklis Pazios

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I read a ton of forum posts and reddit posts to see if it makes sense to replace thermal paste. And while pretty much all agree that anything lower than 2 years would be too often, but that if the cpu is overheating, and it's not because of dust, it most likely is a problem with thermal paste. I did that. And it did decrease the temperature for about 5C so it's not going to 95 anymore, but it still reaches 90C for something as light as Hollow Knight. Mind you if I keep my fps unlocked, I get like 400fps on that game, so it's not that the performance is bad, but the temperature seems to just be unreasonably high for even casual stuff for some reason. If I cap my fps to 60 on low settings, the temperature doesn't even flinch. It's like the pc has lost any sense on what is and what isn't a resource intensive app and overheats over anything.
 
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DarkPaladin

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I wouldn't agree that 2 years is an acceptable time to wait before repasting a laptop at all. For a desktop (where the temperatures are cooler due to improved cooling capabilities), then maybe, but definitely not a laptop. It accumulates a lot of dust over time and the higher temperatures mean your paste is likely to dry out quicker than usual. Additionally, with how modern laptop heatsinks are designed, a lot of them have a shared heatsink above the fans + components so you'll have to end up repasting whenever you do a full clean-up anyway.

Which thermal paste did you use + which method? Also, for the sake of keeping your temperatures low, I'd recommend capping your FPS to your monitor's refresh rate in the majority of games. You can either do this with in-game settings or the NVIDIA Control Panel. For example, I can obtain 200+ FPS in Overwatch but won't see the benefits of that with a 144HZ monitor. It just increases the heat/energy outputs of the laptop without the benefits or justification of doing so.

Also, did you re-paste both the CPU + GPU? If so, did the GPU temperatures decrease as well? It might indicate a lack of spread over the CPU when applying the paste (not to worry, this is very much trial and error).

One more thing to point out is that as we approach the summer, the temperatures will increase faster so it's worth recommending to turn the fans on their maximum speed when playing most modern games.
 
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Iraklis Pazios

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DarkPaladin said:
I wouldn't agree that 2 years is an acceptable time to wait before repasting a laptop at all. For a desktop (where the temperatures are cooler due to improved cooling capabilities), then maybe, but definitely not a laptop. It accumulates a lot of dust over time and the higher temperatures mean your paste is likely to dry out quicker than usual. Additionally, with how modern laptop heatsinks are designed, a lot of them have a shared heatsink above the fans + components so you'll have to end up repasting whenever you do a full clean-up anyway.

Which thermal paste did you use + which method? Also, for the sake of keeping your temperatures low, I'd recommend capping your FPS to your monitor's refresh rate in the majority of games. You can either do this with in-game settings or the NVIDIA Control Panel. For example, I can obtain 200+ FPS in Overwatch but won't see the benefits of that with a 144HZ monitor. It just increases the heat/energy outputs of the laptop without the benefits or justification of doing so.

Also, did you re-paste both the CPU + GPU? If so, did the GPU temperatures decrease as well? It might indicate a lack of spread over the CPU when applying the paste (not to worry, this is very much trial and error).

One more thing to point out is that as we approach the summer, the temperatures will increase faster so it's worth recommending to turn the fans on their maximum speed when playing most modern games.
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Sorry but I'm going to start ignoring replies after this one because people aren't actually reading. I cap my fps to 60 and it makes 0 difference, so why would capping it at 144 make any? And yes i am aware that fps above your refresh rate is useless but I was saying that to point out that hollow Knight isn't a heavy game, and my pc is very much overpowered for a game like this and still overheats at even 60fps.
I used the products and technique that was recommended above. And as I said, i have my fans at max and using a cooling pad.
I used it only on my cpu.
Please read at least the original post if you're going to answer.
 
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DarkPaladin

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I read the summary of the comments and gave you both specific + general information. The 2+ years time to repaste a laptop is terrible misinformation and I explained why laptop's need to be maintenance more frequently than desktops.

1) The 144FPS cap was an example used to demonstrate how I keep my temps within an acceptable range of 70-80s when gaming. It wasn't an actual recommendation under the circumstances you're having
2) I asked for your thermal paste choice + technique and if you repasted both the CPU + GPU to identify if it was something as simple is an uneven spread on the CPU, which would indicate having to re-do the process
3) One point I forgot to include is to be absolutely sure your heatsink is making good contact with the CPU, or else it'll continue to overheat due to having an unreliable means of dispersing the heat.

I replied to your thread multiple times because I've dealt with similar issues to your own (as you can find in my thread history on my profile), and understand how frustrating it is to have an overheating CPU. But since you decided to ironically not read my own comment correctly and be rude, I won't bother helping you further.

Good luck and hopefully you get it sorted out.
 
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Iraklis Pazios

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Pardon the repost-y nature of this but my other post got locked. I have been having problems with this setup. Any game I use seems to cause my cpu to overheat.
As per suggestions on my previous locked thread, I used battery settings, nvidia control panel and amd's software as well to maximise battery over performance. Even at some point capping my cpu performance to 10%. Despite my disagreement over how often you should change thermal paste (have been using this laptop somewhere around 6-8 months depending on whether you count me sending it back for repairs or not), I have changed the thermal paste on my cpu (only) as per these instructions

"I typically re-paste both my CPU and GPU every 3-6 months (depending on how much the temps have increased) since I can't reach the fans without removing the heatsink.

Also, don't worry about re-pasting. It's scary at first but you definitely get better at it through trial and error. I'd recommend using these:
1) Thermal paste remover + purifier https://www.amazon.co.uk/Arctic-Sil...s=thermal+paste+remover&qid=1622513587&sr=8-4
2) Either Thermal Grizzly Kyronaut, Noctua NT-H", or Gelid Extreme paste
3) Use the "X" method when applying the paste, as (from my experience) it helps spread the paste evenly across the components
4) Be sure to screw in the correct order (the screws should have labels from 1 to 9) to ensure the heatsinks are evenly placed to the components
5) After applying the paste, check your laptop's temps with HWInfo64 and/or perform a CPU stress test to see if the temps have improved"

To be specific I used Gelid Extreme Paste. And checked again to see if any of it leaked or I did something wrong with it afterwards. Seemed to be fine. I made sure to clean my laptop as well while I was at it just in case I missed some dust. Temperatures still hang around 85 even on the lightest of games on the lowest of settings and capped framerates. And don't seem to go up or down depending on game, framerate, vsync options or settings. As soon as a game is launched. It just goes ham on them. Not the CPU usage, only the temperature. I have noticed on some extremely light games like Hollow knight, it will be using 8% of CPU sometimes, and yet the temperature will still be at 85-90. I have had previous problems with this setup where it would crash everytime I launched any 3d game, but after 2 repairs from PCSP, that seemed to resolve at least. The GPU seems to be doing fine, with temperatures around 50-60 even on the heaviest games and max settings. Again, not a performance issue, but just strictly a temperature one. Please, and I beg of you, know that I use the fans ALWAYS on MAX, and I ALWAYS use a cooling pad. Even bought a new, better one. CP3 Laptop Cooling Pad. It's noticably louder but the fans are much better. Despite this, the cooling pad hasn't done much. And the thermal paste helped a bit. Temperatures are about 3C lower. While I know that this CPU can handle 105C without breaking down immediately, I get temperature warnings nonstop because it reaches 90C quite often.


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Bhuna50

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Just to help complete the story for anyone wanting to help - this is the original thread here: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/cpu-is-overheating-almost-always.81867/


Just some basic questions first sorry - are ALL the fans working and blowing the correct way? ie input of air at bottom (and not sat directly on desk but on your cooler fan/pad - if a pad is it still leaving the air input areas clear and then output at the sides of the laptop are clear and both blowing out - again no blockages? (I have read that you have cleaned them but just confirm they are blowing in/out correctly).

Are you able to leave the laptop in place and just confirm that each fan works - ie that with it sitting on your cooling pad, the case doesnt squash the fan to a slow / stop.

Can you give us some screen prints of the output from HWMonitor/Info please - running idle, running a game.

When you say you are receiving temp warnings - what software is giving you those warnings? I have the same system as you and my CPU runs up to and slightly over 90 at times and I dont receive any Windows warnings about it.

Have you removed Bullguard so its not running inthe back ground. Have you checked any other programs running in the background / at start up are actually needed or stop them from running.

Is Control Centre / Gaming Center installed and are the fan profiles set correctly on them?

Is Windows installed properly and up to date? Any driver warning messages / system devices showing as Other / yellow warning triangles?
 
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Iraklis Pazios

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Bhuna50 said:
Just to help complete the story for anyone wanting to help - this is the original thread here: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/cpu-is-overheating-almost-always.81867/


Just some basic questions first sorry - are ALL the fans working and blowing the correct way? ie input of air at bottom (and not sat directly on desk but on your cooler fan/pad - if a pad is it still leaving the air input areas clear and then output at the sides of the laptop are clear and both blowing out - again no blockages? (I have read that you have cleaned them but just confirm they are blowing in/out correctly).

Are you able to leave the laptop in place and just confirm that each fan works - ie that with it sitting on your cooling pad, the case doesnt squash the fan to a slow / stop.

Can you give us some screen prints of the output from HWMonitor/Info please - running idle, running a game.

When you say you are receiving temp warnings - what software is giving you those warnings? I have the same system as you and my CPU runs up to and slightly over 90 at times and I dont receive any Windows warnings about it.

Have you removed Bullguard so its not running inthe back ground. Have you checked any other programs running in the background / at start up are actually needed or stop them from running.

Is Control Centre / Gaming Center installed and are the fan profiles set correctly on them?

Is Windows installed properly and up to date? Any driver warning messages / system devices showing as Other / yellow warning triangles?
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Ah thanks for posting the original. Maybe some info I forgot is there.

Windows is fully updated. The fans work well. The "grates", if that makes sense, on the bottom are quite big and I can see them spinning and the difference in speed between normal use and "fan boost". Also quiet audible difference. And they are pushing a lot of air from the sides. The cooling pad is also full of holes as to not block air. And has adjustable height so it's not even close to the desk, so it has a lot of contact with air. The angle of the adjustable height makes it so the front of the chassis holds most of the weight and the fans sound and look just fine. Had to shove my face under the pad to make sure, hadn't thought of that. I am using GamingCenterU to see if the fans are working. There are some problems with it. If I put the laptop on sleep mode, then the "fanboost" option straight up disappears. But after i restart it, it works just fine again. It's also here that i first noticed the triangle warning of "cpu temperature too high". I'll provide pictures of the HWmonitor soon. I have uninstalled bullguard, yes and haven't installed any other form of antivirus. And make sure to close all apps (that I can, since windows 10 won't let me permanently disable gaming services), like discord, internet browsing apps, pdf and windows office stuff which I usually use.

No warnings, alerts or unidentified devices being shown in device manager. Everything seems to be up to date. I also use GeForce experience to update my nvidia drivers. Updates are released quite often but since this has been a problem since forever, I don't think any nvidia drivers in particular have made a difference. I could try to uninstall them and reinstall using the device manager to see if the geforce experience ones are at fault.

My Gpu is fine though so I thought it may have been my cpu amd drivers at fault. So I installed radeon software adrenalin to see if that helped about 3 weeks ago (rough estimate tbh). Updates were installed and both the cpu and integrated amd gpu are detected but no difference either.

Cheers for the help.
 
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Iraklis Pazios

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Bhuna50 said:
Just to help complete the story for anyone wanting to help - this is the original thread here: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/cpu-is-overheating-almost-always.81867/


Just some basic questions first sorry - are ALL the fans working and blowing the correct way? ie input of air at bottom (and not sat directly on desk but on your cooler fan/pad - if a pad is it still leaving the air input areas clear and then output at the sides of the laptop are clear and both blowing out - again no blockages? (I have read that you have cleaned them but just confirm they are blowing in/out correctly).

Are you able to leave the laptop in place and just confirm that each fan works - ie that with it sitting on your cooling pad, the case doesnt squash the fan to a slow / stop.

Can you give us some screen prints of the output from HWMonitor/Info please - running idle, running a game.

When you say you are receiving temp warnings - what software is giving you those warnings? I have the same system as you and my CPU runs up to and slightly over 90 at times and I dont receive any Windows warnings about it.

Have you removed Bullguard so its not running inthe back ground. Have you checked any other programs running in the background / at start up are actually needed or stop them from running.

Is Control Centre / Gaming Center installed and are the fan profiles set correctly on them?

Is Windows installed properly and up to date? Any driver warning messages / system devices showing as Other / yellow warning triangles?
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Here are some screenshots I took while running a game in the background and while idle. Hope this helps. If I did something wrong please tell, I am not very smart.
 

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Bhuna50

Bhuna50

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I've not reached the 100 yet with mine but sometimes in the 90s on the CPU temp.

I can only suggest that if you are concerned that you raise it with PCS directly and ask for further advice / whether to RMA it for them to have a look. Especially if you are sure that GamingCenter / drivers / fans are all set up properly.
 
Vergaro98

Vergaro98

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Kyuboy said:
Have you considered to undervault your Laptop? As you said your system is kind of overkill for these type of games you mentioned earlier in this thread. undervault would cap the amount of energy supplied to your CPU and thus can lower the temperatures effectively.

Find attached a link to a guide on how to undervault with either Throttlestop or MSI Afterburn.
If you decided to try it out, let me know how it went.

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[GUIDE] How to undervolt laptop (Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU, 2021 revised version)

This is my own guide on how to undervolt Intel CPU / Nvidia GPU in your laptops. Hope you found it useful! Notes: This is my own metho...
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I think you can't undervolt Ryzen mobile. But I'm not 100% sure.
 
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trickyrickyg83

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I have a Valeon with a Ryzen 5900hx CPU that was maxing out at 95°c when set to gaming mode.
I read that the reason Ryzen CPUs get so hot is because all 8 cores are grouped together on the die.They do however have a higher limit than intel at 105°c.
I was also very concerned with these temps.I found a great video from TheMacco26
.This details how adjustment of the CPU power can control temps very effectively at minimum expense to performance.
I set my CPU to 32w and 3070 GPU to full power 140w and I'm seeing average 81°c CPU ,78°c GPU with 115 fps at 2k in Warzone,max settings.
The video mostly details intel CPU but does also show Ryzen equivalent performance,well worth a look.
95°c is mostly across the board on laptops with fast Ryzen CPUs when maxed out on power,from many reviews I have read.
 
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sciale

Member
repasting CPU + GPU can help after 2 years, same clearing fan but help much also buy a good laptop cooling pad with many fast! I solved much in this way cutting down 10-15° ~
 
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MrXT

Member
trickyrickyg83 said:
I have a Valeon with a Ryzen 5900hx CPU that was maxing out at 95°c when set to gaming mode.
I read that the reason Ryzen CPUs get so hot is because all 8 cores are grouped together on the die.They do however have a higher limit than intel at 105°c.
I was also very concerned with these temps.I found a great video from TheMacco26
.This details how adjustment of the CPU power can control temps very effectively at minimum expense to performance.
I set my CPU to 32w and 3070 GPU to full power 140w and I'm seeing average 81°c CPU ,78°c GPU with 115 fps at 2k in Warzone,max settings.
The video mostly details intel CPU but does also show Ryzen equivalent performance,well worth a look.
95°c is mostly across the board on laptops with fast Ryzen CPUs when maxed out on power,from many reviews I have read.
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Just because the cpu can take those temps doesnt mean the surrounding components can. Its the reason why consoles end up dying due to the excessive heat many of them create. 95c is way too high, i like to keep my temps below 80c for both cpu and gpu. Thanks for the info about how to lower temps i might finally pull the trigger on the valeon now that its in stock again.
 
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