What is the noise and thermal throttling like on the new Recoil VII with 4080/4090, ahd how do these graphics cards compare in PCS build benchmarks?

[chozabu]

I'm looking at picking up a new recoil VII with a geforce 4080 (or 4090) - but have a few questions and concerns

1. How noisy is it? Fan noise in particular. Are there any videos showing this laptop under load?
1a. and how much difference does the liquid cooler addon make?

2. How much of a difference is there between the 4080 and 4090? I've seen average is around 20% faster, but PCS build has same power usage by both cards, are there any benchmarks showing the relative results for PCS builds?

3. How hot will it get under load, and at what point does it throttle performance due to temp?
3a. and how much difference does the liquid cooler addon make?

4. How is the build quality of this chassis? I've seen mention that older tongfangs were sub-par, but new ones are better - would be great to hear more info on this latest version.

Looking forwards to any info here - Feels like this laptop could be a replacement for my aging Defiance-II and 1080-ti tower, but will be good to make sure my expectations match reality.

Possible specs:

hassis & Display
Recoil Series: 17" Matte QHD 240Hz sRGB 100% LED Widescreen (2560x1600)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 24 Core Processor 13900HX (5.4GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
64GB Corsair 4800MHz SODIMM DDR5 (2 x 32GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 4080 - 12.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 5000MB/W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated SD Memory Card Reader
AC Adaptor
1 x 330W AC Adaptor
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Battery
Recoil Series Integrated 99WH Lithium Ion Battery
Thermal Paste
LIQUID METAL PERFORMANCE COOLING
Sound Card
Nahimic by SteelSeries 2 Channel HD Audio
Wireless Network Card
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6E AX211 (2.4 Gbps) + BT 5.3
USB/Thunderbolt Options
1 x THUNDERBOLT 4 PORT + 3 x USB 3.2 PORTS
Keyboard Language
RECOIL 17 SERIES RGB BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
Norton 360 inc. Game Optimizer - Free 90 Day License
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Keyboard & Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Chassis
TongFang GM7PX8N (12GB RTX-4080, i9-13900HX, 240Hz QHD)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 6 working days
Price: £2,489.00 including VAT and Delivery

 

[SpyderTracks]

None of us work for PCS and the chassis are brand new (posted last week) so I don't believe anyone has one yet to be able to comment, you may want to give PCS a call to discuss.

 

[chozabu]

None of us work for PCS and the chassis are brand new (posted last week) so I don't believe anyone has one yet to be able to comment, you may want to give PCS a call to discuss.

Will do!
Checking my post history, seems you gave me the same advice about issues with my old laptop back in 2017!
I never did post a follow up, but things worked out ~OK.
Thanks, will try to post more info this time

 

[SpyderTracks]

Will do!
Checking my post history, seems you gave me the same advice about issues with my old laptop back in 2017!
I never did post a follow up, but things worked out ~OK.
Thanks, will try to post more info this time

Welcome back

I think the chassis went on sale around tuesday / wednesday last week, so I imagine we may start seeing some reviews come in certainly by the end of next week hopefully, and hopefully we can get some benchmark scores on the leaderboard to work out actual performance.

From what I've seen so far, the 13th Gen Intels are actually far more efficient than previous generations which is brilliant to see, but I know almost nothing about the 4000 series GPU's

 

[Faraam]

I’ve ordered Recoil 17.3” with RTX 4080 and can’t wait to see it!

I’ve done big research about RTX 4000 before marking a move.
I was considering 4070 or 4080, as 4090 if far above budget. However differences in performance between those two is huge.
Basically 4070 isnt better than 3070Ti at all, only improvement is noticeable when DLSS 3 and Frame Generation is ON.
4080 however make big difference. Cost almost £400 more, but hey, you need to spend £2k for Recoil with 4070 anyway.

So I decided if I’m spending that money I’ll go with 4080, which has almost 40% more Pixel Shaders ( 7424 vs 4608 ) and 4GB memory more.

 

[SpyderTracks]

I’ve ordered Recoil 17.3” with RTX 4080 and can’t wait to see it!

I’ve done big research about RTX 4000 before marking a move.
I was considering 4070 or 4080, as 4090 if far above budget. However differences in performance between those two is huge.
Basically 4070 isnt better than 3070Ti at all, only improvement is noticeable when DLSS 3 and Frame Generation is ON.
4080 however make big difference. Cost almost £400 more, but hey, you need to spend £2k for Recoil with 4070 anyway.

So I decided if I’m spending that money I’ll go with 4080, which has almost 40% more Pixel Shaders ( 7424 vs 4608 ) and 4GB memory more.

Would love a review when you get it and if you feel like, run some benchmarks and post your scores:

Benchmark Results Leaderboard

Changed the 3600x to a 5600x And...from a TimeSpy perspective at least. Not much change https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/75670992 More of a change on FireStrike http://www.3dmark.com/fs/27803801

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

 

[chetel]

I'm looking at picking up a new recoil VII with a geforce 4080 (or 4090) - but have a few questions and concerns

1. How noisy is it? Fan noise in particular. Are there any videos showing this laptop under load?
1a. and how much difference does the liquid cooler addon make?

2. How much of a difference is there between the 4080 and 4090? I've seen average is around 20% faster, but PCS build has same power usage by both cards, are there any benchmarks showing the relative results for PCS builds?

3. How hot will it get under load, and at what point does it throttle performance due to temp?
3a. and how much difference does the liquid cooler addon make?

4. How is the build quality of this chassis? I've seen mention that older tongfangs were sub-par, but new ones are better - would be great to hear more info on this latest version.

Looking forwards to any info here - Feels like this laptop could be a replacement for my aging Defiance-II and 1080-ti tower, but will be good to make sure my expectations match reality.

Possible specs:

Hi - looking at exactly the same spec just now (4080 build is out of stock atm so it's giving me a bit of time to really dig into my decision.). Annoyingly for exactly the same build only a few weeks apart it's quoting me nearly £100 more. Times we live in, I guess!

I can't see any mention of Tonfang chassis in any of the config info - I probably can't see it for looking at it though. Unless perhaps PCS have just started using their own brand?

I was reading through the forum mentions of the Recoil (various generations) and someone mentioned it was a double-brick power supply. Does anyone know that that's still the case? I'm aware it's a desktop replacement.

And has anyone seen ANY reviews of the Recoil VII (is that the same gen as the 17.3" Recoil available in Feb/March 2023? Again, can't see mention of 'VII' anywhere.)

Never bought from PCS before and couldn't find anything re this precise spec - so you're my life ring, friend!

 

[RK1]

Also ordered the same spec - although with an extra drive to run Zorin for dev work.

Due to being so new, it's a struggle to find any real info, but the chassis seems to be this one from Tongfang:

https://www.hk.tongfangpc.com/products_gaming_mseries/

This is my 5th laptop from PCS, so no doubt it will be ugly, fast and hot - but ultimately pretty solid - if my previous experiences continues! So don't panic - they are usually decent builds. I've recommended to a few other people in the past and they have all been pleased too. I don;t hesitate to press "go" with PCS these days.

 

[RK1]

Specific model seems to be TONGFANG GM7PX8N. But I am just Googling, so pinch of salt...

 

[SpyderTracks]

Specific model seems to be TONGFANG GM7PX8N. But I am just Googling, so pinch of salt...

It states which chassis on the quotation at the bottom.

 

[RK1]

It states which chassis on the quotation at the bottom.

Interestingly, it doesn't say it on my quote or my order confirmation. Which is why I went looking for it to confirm which has (or can support) the specs I ordered. I was worried I would end up with an old version of the chassis.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Interestingly, it doesn't say it on my quote or my order confirmation. Which is why I went looking for it to confirm which has (or can support) the specs I ordered. I was worried I would end up with an old version of the chassis.

It states on any quotation when you print it to the forum

 

[RK1]

Apparently not always...

Chassis & Display
Recoil Series: 17" Matte QHD 240Hz sRGB 100% LED Widescreen (2560x1600)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 24 Core Processor 13900HX (5.4GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
64GB Corsair 4800MHz SODIMM DDR5 (2 x 32GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 4080 - 12.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 5000MB/W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated SD Memory Card Reader
AC Adaptor
1 x 330W AC Adaptor
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Battery
Recoil Series Integrated 99WH Lithium Ion Battery
Thermal Paste
LIQUID METAL PERFORMANCE COOLING
Sound Card
Nahimic by SteelSeries 2 Channel HD Audio
Wireless Network Card
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6E AX211 (2.4 Gbps) + BT 5.3
USB/Thunderbolt Options
1 x THUNDERBOLT 4 PORT + 3 x USB 3.2 PORTS
Keyboard Language
RECOIL 17 SERIES RGB BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
Microsoft® 365 Personal (12 Month Subscription - Digital Key)
Anti-Virus
Norton 360 inc. Game Optimizer - Free 90 Day License
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Keyboard & Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book - United Kingdom & Republic of Ireland

 

[RK1]

Ah - OK - if I replicate the order as a new quotation and THEN post to forum.

But of course, that would be a new quotation and not the one I actually ordered.

 

[Scott]

Ah - OK - if I replicate the order as a new quotation and THEN post to forum.

But of course, that would be a new quotation and not the one I actually ordered.

View attachment 36312

It's not the quotation that shows it, like you quoted above, it's when you click the "post to forum" link and get that particular quote. When the OP posted they did so this way, in your previous reply it looks like a copy and paste from the screen just before the "Post to forum" one.

Unsure why that information is solely available on the post to forum link, but at least there's a way to get it

 

[RK1]

I know you probably think I am being thick - but the first one I posted IS from the post to forum output. Of the order.
The original quote is now expired and so I only have my order. That does not show the chassis manufacturer/model in the post to forum output. I know it _usually_ does - but for my order - it really does not... look:

 

[SpyderTracks]

I know you probably think I am being thick - but the first one I posted IS from the post to forum output. Of the order.
The original quote is now expired and so I only have my order. That does not show the chassis manufacturer/model in the post to forum output. I know it _usually_ does - but for my order - it really does not... look:
View attachment 36314

Only works from quotes.

 

[titch35]

Hi,
I'm looking at similar specs and am really interested in the heat and noise so any update would be great.
Was also looking at the Alienware (x16 R2) with a similar build and their vapor cooling but that takes me nearer £4k as a spend so not a preferred option.
My current laptop is an old PCS build with a GTX 970M so is @6 years old which unfortunately, now runs very hot and noisy.

I know it's probably overkill as my gaming is predominately World of Tanks and, I'm not so interested in the water cooling as i do use it as a laptop - it's on my laps sat on the sofa in front of the TV

So i will watch this thread in anticipation

 

[chozabu]

Hi,
I'm looking at similar specs and am really interested in the heat and noise so any update would be great.
Was also looking at the Alienware (x16 R2) with a similar build and their vapor cooling but that takes me nearer £4k as a spend so not a preferred option.
My current laptop is an old PCS build with a GTX 970M so is @6 years old which unfortunately, now runs very hot and noisy.

I know it's probably overkill as my gaming is predominately World of Tanks and, I'm not so interested in the water cooling as i do use it as a laptop - it's on my laps sat on the sofa in front of the TV

So i will watch this thread in anticipation

Have you given your old pcs build (Defiance II ? ) a clean out?
make sure to ground yourself first, check some videos online about laptop cleaning if not familar with the process.
I ended up cleaning down between the heatsink fins in the laptops exhaust, got the thing running much quieter and happier!
Careful not to leave dust on one side of a fan, making it noisy and wear fast.

FWIW - I ended up getting and returning a Recoil VII for a partial refund - had endless unsolvable crashing issues, and a replacement machine had no sound output. Hopefully I was just unlucky, but would personally not be willing to try this model of laptop again.

To more directly answer your question - the recoil VII is a bit noiser and hotter than my old defiance 2 (Heat is mostly a function of power supply, and it's max is nearly double, but noise is only a little more)

 

[titch35]

Thank you.
I have had it apart a few times to clean and it was actually relatively dust free. It has gotten so hot that my keys in some instances (especially the Z and X keys) are not as responsive so i have had to just remap my keys for gameplay.

I appreciate that any laptop will run hot through power requirements and load but assumed a newer more powerful option would possibly have less demand for my requirements

It's concerning that you had issues with your build.