Torn between 4k gaming options in horrible component market - opinions please?

AlDav

Member
I've been trying to put together a decent gaming desktop for a while now. Nvidia and motherboard manufacturers have a special place in hell from me this last year (ok, well much longer than that for Nvidia!). I'd love some opinions on CPU/GPU combos to help me decide. My natural historical pull has always been Intel/Nvida, but I'm really not convinced right now.

I buy a new machine up to about £3k every 10 years give or take. My basic spec driving needs this time around - 4k gaming (monitor is "short-arsed 4k" @ 3840x1600 and 144Hz), audio via 5.1 analogue surround setup (previously always with a soundcard, but going to trust premium RealTek 1220/4080 chipsets this time). I like it to be cool and quiet under load and quite like well implemented RGB bling (within reason). Productivity isn't particularly high load, so I doubt drives any requirement really above the gaming one. Will equip with 32GB DDR5 6000 and just a 1TB fast system drive (app/game storage separately funded).

What has killed me in recent months is dithering over:
1) CPU - AMD 7800X3D or Intel 14700KF
2) GPU - AMD 7900XTX or wait to see if Nvida 4080 Super picks up the 4080 at high end

Basically, I can spec both CPUs with a 7900XTX for close to £2600 with a nice mix of components (maybe £300 less for default spec downgrading everything else but CPU/GPU). RTX 4080 is (still) stupid money now the 7900XTX has dropped a bit, but a Super at the same or lower price that beats that could be interesting. I did originally want an RTX 4090, but the China thing pushed the prices back up and really just made me think (more) unprintable thoughts about Nvidia greed/lack of customer base loyalty in the face of AI profits. Perhaps I'll put an RTX 50x0/60x0 in in the next couple of years instead .. £1k extra now for the 4090 is just too much.

CPU wise, it feels a little weird going for the slightly older 7800X3D, though I understand it still rules for rasterised performance (for all the relevance it may have at 4k). Intel feels more natural, but is usually about £30-50 more expensive (or equal for 13th gen) in as close as like-for-like comes with differing MBs. I do hear some complaints over AMD stability though, particularly with higher speed DDR5. Heart and brain in conflict.

MBs I'll come back to - it's so hard to get a decent amount of features for normal money now. I really need the audio chipset and would like it to look nice plus have enough connectivity .. what used to be a small ask. Probably easier to ask for an opinion once I finally agree on CPU.


P.S. happy to provide sample configs I've got for each option .. just thought it would crowd the post a bit.
 

TonyCarter

VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
Yes, the 7800x3d is 'older' in that it was released before Intel's marketing team demanded a response by adding extra efficiency cores to some CPUs to try and fudge their TDP numbers.

But the 14700K will pull almost 3 times the power that the 7800x3D will for the same task. Which means you need much better cooling to keep it from throttling.

Also, if you go with Intel, your options to upgrade performance in a few years time are limited to the GPU, as the platform is at a dead end.

The current AMD platform is on it's first set of CPUs, and AMD will likely (as they have in the past) support another 1 or 2 CPU generations before the platform changes - so allows for a CPU and GPU upgrade in 3-5 years time to refresh the whole thing without spending another £3k.
 

AlDav

Member
Yes, the 7800x3d is 'older' in that it was released before Intel's marketing team demanded a response by adding extra efficiency cores to some CPUs to try and fudge their TDP numbers.

But the 14700K will pull almost 3 times the power that the 7800x3D will for the same task. Which means you need much better cooling to keep it from throttling.

Also, if you go with Intel, your options to upgrade performance in a few years time are limited to the GPU, as the platform is at a dead end.

The current AMD platform is on it's first set of CPUs, and AMD will likely (as they have in the past) support another 1 or 2 CPU generations before the platform changes - so allows for a CPU and GPU upgrade in 3-5 years time to refresh the whole thing without spending another £3k.
Thanks Tony - you're right about the power draw and heat output, though with the cooling solutions I had in mind the heat is probably somewhat moot (ie. overkill with RGB AIO!!). No harm saving some electricity though! I've never upgraded a CPU so far and doubt I would .. while I don't like to be behind a curve, this particular one is unlikely to bite me. By the time CPU is relevant, everything else is so outdated it wouldn't be cost effective to replace in-situ. GPU has always been my first and most persistent bottleneck.

As a case in point, I'm currently running in i7-3770K from back in the olden days! Replacing it would make little to no difference as there are other bottlenecks everywhere you look, particularly for gaming. It actually still runs Win10 very well .. it just can't do current gen gaming at all.

The only thing making me less confident with the 7800X3D are the occasional reports of boot and stability problems with fast DDR5 to be honest. Maybe that was a toothing problem with earlier generation motherboards and firmwares?
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
If you post some proposed specs?

 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
AMD is, in my mind, a far better platform to upgrade the CPU from, just from a natural standpoint.

Similar to yourself I have rarely upgraded my CPU over the years. The reason for this is I typically go for the top end-ish CPU on the platform to begin with. With Intel the generational leaps have been pretty poor in my experience, and that's if they are even available. I got burned big time with both my 6700K and my 9900K as there was no option to do anything worthwhile with them. The 3770k was the CPU I had before the 9900k and it was a beauty..... but upgrade path.....? meh!

AMD, going by previous offerings, is a completely different kettle of fish. I know it's if's and buts, but if the 5800X3D could have been upgraded to the 7800X3D on the platform, the leap would have been significant. Similarly, the leap from the 5800X to the 5800X3D was very significant in gaming. If the trend follows as we all expect the likes of the 9800X3D (or whatever naming convention is used in a couple of generations) will blow the 7800X3D out of the water for gaming.

You will always get a bit of IPC gain between generations, but the real ace that AMD are making use of is the X3D. There is still a long way to go in frequency of multi-core use IMO, so there is still a lot to be had with upgrading this particular CPU stack. A 6Ghz 7800X3D would be a complete powerhouse.

So.... TL;DR, there is no Intel Vs AMD choice IMO. Any reasons for Intel are ill advised/considered for me.
 

AlDav

Member
If you post some proposed specs?

Sure, here's an AMD spec (note I had to up the MB to X670 due to stock issues on the Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus that would otherwise save me ~£100 (about a month delay)):

Case
CORSAIR iCUE 5000X RGB MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D 12 Core CPU (4.4GHz-5.6GHz/140MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
24GB AMD RADEON™ RX 7900 XTX - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 5000MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £2,643.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/XrwzVEWe7W/
 

AlDav

Member
AMD is, in my mind, a far better platform to upgrade the CPU from, just from a natural standpoint.

Similar to yourself I have rarely upgraded my CPU over the years. The reason for this is I typically go for the top end-ish CPU on the platform to begin with. With Intel the generational leaps have been pretty poor in my experience, and that's if they are even available. I got burned big time with both my 6700K and my 9900K as there was no option to do anything worthwhile with them. The 3770k was the CPU I had before the 9900k and it was a beauty..... but upgrade path.....? meh!

AMD, going by previous offerings, is a completely different kettle of fish. I know it's if's and buts, but if the 5800X3D could have been upgraded to the 7800X3D on the platform, the leap would have been significant. Similarly, the leap from the 5800X to the 5800X3D was very significant in gaming. If the trend follows as we all expect the likes of the 9800X3D (or whatever naming convention is used in a couple of generations) will blow the 7800X3D out of the water for gaming.

You will always get a bit of IPC gain between generations, but the real ace that AMD are making use of is the X3D. There is still a long way to go in frequency of multi-core use IMO, so there is still a lot to be had with upgrading this particular CPU stack. A 6Ghz 7800X3D would be a complete powerhouse.

So.... TL;DR, there is no Intel Vs AMD choice IMO. Any reasons for Intel are ill advised/considered for me.
Thanks .. trying not to be tribal about it! I always wondered if it made any difference running native AMD between CPU & GPU compared to Intel with AMD GPU. Some claim "special sauce", but I've not seen testable evidence.

On the GPU side, I think this year will sadly be boring at the high end. AMD have bailed and Nvidia could care less, especially in light of the lack of competition to the 4090 now, so 5080/90 could be well into 2025 (as will AMD's next move). 7900XTX therefore seems a safe bet. Unless Nvidia make me fall of my chair by making the 4080 Super cheaper and more performative than it.
 

TonyCarter

VALUED CONTRIBUTOR

Don't know when/if PCS will stock them, or what their prices will be - but the current dollar prices of the Super models are cheaper than the non-Super models - and the 4080 Super seems to be aimed directly at the same price point as the 7900XTX.
 
Last edited:

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Sure, here's an AMD spec (note I had to up the MB to X670 due to stock issues on the Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus that would otherwise save me ~£100 (about a month delay)):

Case
CORSAIR iCUE 5000X RGB MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D 12 Core CPU (4.4GHz-5.6GHz/140MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
24GB AMD RADEON™ RX 7900 XTX - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 5000MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £2,643.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/XrwzVEWe7W/

A few changes I would make. The biggest being the CPU. The 7900X3D is a complete oddball. Not as good for gaming as the 7800X3D and not as good at production as the 7900. It's a lose-lose situation really. The only 2 real choices are the 7800X3D or the 7950X3D.

Case
CORSAIR iCUE 5000X RGB MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
24GB AMD RADEON™ RX 7900 XTX - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR FORCE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 4950 MB/R, 4000 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £2,635.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/PYMU5guMPu/
 

AlDav

Member
A few changes I would make. The biggest being the CPU. The 7900X3D is a complete oddball. Not as good for gaming as the 7800X3D and not as good at production as the 7900. It's a lose-lose situation really. The only 2 real choices are the 7800X3D or the 7950X3D.

Case
CORSAIR iCUE 5000X RGB MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
24GB AMD RADEON™ RX 7900 XTX - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR FORCE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 4950 MB/R, 4000 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £2,635.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/PYMU5guMPu/

Thanks Scott - that was my fat fingers with the 7900X3D! I definitely am only considering the 7800X3D on the AMD side and nothing else at all. The choice is only 7800X3D vs 14700 on each side of the isle!

SSD - I put a 1TB 980 in as system drive as it seemed a good fast reliable solution for that. I plan to add 2TB storage drive(s), but don't want to cloud my comparative specs up too much so have ommitted for now.

AIO - a 360mm rad will look nicer in terms of matching fan quantities between case and AIO. Will the extra cooling make much difference on a 7800X3D?

Does anyone care about thermal paste brands these days? £9 extra to do so seems steep, but it's what I would buy if I were building myself.

FYI on PSU - I'm sure I could get away with 850W, but have put 1000W in to be more generous to future upgrades (and prob needed for a 4080 Super anyway).
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Thanks Scott - that was my fat fingers with the 7900X3D! I definitely am only considering the 7800X3D on the AMD side and nothing else at all. The choice is only 7800X3D vs 14700 on each side of the isle!

SSD - I put a 1TB 980 in as system drive as it seemed a good fast reliable solution for that. I plan to add 2TB storage drive(s), but don't want to cloud my comparative specs up too much so have ommitted for now.

AIO - a 360mm rad will look nicer in terms of matching fan quantities between case and AIO. Will the extra cooling make much difference on a 7800X3D?

Does anyone care about thermal paste brands these days? £9 extra to do so seems steep, but it's what I would buy if I were building myself.

FYI on PSU - I'm sure I could get away with 850W, but have put 1000W in to be more generous to future upgrades (and prob needed for a 4080 Super anyway).

I wouldn't go for the 980, they aren't the best for endurance (lifespan). 1TB is overkill and you will be more likely to store tat in the primary drive. You want to keep the primary drive as trim as possible to ensure peak performance throughout use. 500GB is more than enough for this, with the ideal utilisation kept below 50%.

Extra cooling won't make much odds to be honest. You can eek a bit of performance with PBO etc which can demand a decent cooler, but standard usage a 240mm rad has you more than covered. There's not a lot of money in it though so, like the PSU, overkill is better than undershooting.

Corsair coolers have really good paste on. Getting the optional paste doesn't add anything and you're at the mercy of the person applying it rather than a manufacturer. I always recommend sticking with the corsair stuff, it's decent.

1000w all day long. I would argue 1200w when aiming for top tier to be honest. It's a shame they don't offer the 1000w shift PSU as that's ATX3.0 and covers all the bases nicely.
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
That clouds the water .. will be very interesting to see reviews. I don't trust vendor charts on anything these days ..
100%, absolutely the correct approach. Hardware wise, it is the same GPU die as the 4080 with a few more cores, and it replaces the 4080 but at £200 less, so on paper it checks out, but 3rd party benchmarks are the only way to be certain, absolutely
 

AlDav

Member
I wouldn't go for the 980, they aren't the best for endurance (lifespan). 1TB is overkill and you will be more likely to store tat in the primary drive. You want to keep the primary drive as trim as possible to ensure peak performance throughout use. 500GB is more than enough for this, with the ideal utilisation kept below 50%.

Extra cooling won't make much odds to be honest. You can eek a bit of performance with PBO etc which can demand a decent cooler, but standard usage a 240mm rad has you more than covered. There's not a lot of money in it though so, like the PSU, overkill is better than undershooting.

Corsair coolers have really good paste on. Getting the optional paste doesn't add anything and you're at the mercy of the person applying it rather than a manufacturer. I always recommend sticking with the corsair stuff, it's decent.

1000w all day long. I would argue 1200w when aiming for top tier to be honest. It's a shame they don't offer the 1000w shift PSU as that's ATX3.0 and covers all the bases nicely.
Interesting. I've actually not looking into NVMe comparissons recently at all; the 980 was my safe go-to to ensure comparisson consistency. I've had a 500GB system drive for the last ~5 years and it does me fine at a little over 50% capacity (system and all apps on there; games and data elsewhere). 1TB seemed a reasonable future proof and easy way to stay way under 50% at not much cost differential now.

Sadly the 4TB plus drives are still crazy money compared to mechanical. I'm down to "just" 3 extra data drives on my current system - all too slow to consider porting across. If 4-8TB NVMes were £150, I'd be sorted ;) Will probably go with a 2TB NVMe for games and try to be more strict with what I install/un-install. Possibly a 4TB mechanical for data and less AAA games.

On PSUs I'm hoping future generations will consider efficiency a little more! Wishful thinking no doubt. At least we're less likely to overload our ring mains over here with such high load (compared to US)! Going up to 1200W PSU tends to nudge another £100ish. I'm trying to avoid those where I can .. at least rad size matching the case makes some sense since you land up looking at it every day! :eek:)
 

ASHENTI

Silver Level Poster
Ordered this last night after running a few things over with Spyder. I was waiting to see what the 4080 Super looked like and from what I can see if Ray Tracing isn't important the XTX with an extra 8GB VRAM is the way to go. This will be the first AMD GPU I have had so was a little apprehensive but from the advice sought here and reading up AMD seem to have improved significantly in this department.

Just to give you a comparison as the price is somewhat in your region. The price including delivery was £2732.


Case
FRACTAL NORTH TG GAMING CASE (BLACK)
Promotional Item
Get Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora™ with select AMD products. (C)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
24GB AMD RADEON™ RX 7900 XTX - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
Graphics Card Support Bracket
PCS GRAPHICS CARD SUPPORT BRACKET
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 3500 MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1200W RMx SHIFT SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE LCD XT RGB CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
1 x 120mm Thermaltake TOUGHFAN 12 Case Fan
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS & UK OFFSHORE ISLANDS / N IRELAND
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book
Logo Branding
PCSpecialist Logo
Price: £0.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/Jh4dnwaD7H/
 

AlDav

Member
Ordered this last night after running a few things over with Spyder. I was waiting to see what the 4080 Super looked like and from what I can see if Ray Tracing isn't important the XTX with an extra 8GB VRAM is the way to go. This will be the first AMD GPU I have had so was a little apprehensive but from the advice sought here and reading up AMD seem to have improved significantly in this department.

Just to give you a comparison as the price is somewhat in your region. The price including delivery was £2732.


Case
FRACTAL NORTH TG GAMING CASE (BLACK)
Promotional Item
Get Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora™ with select AMD products. (C)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
24GB AMD RADEON™ RX 7900 XTX - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
Graphics Card Support Bracket
PCS GRAPHICS CARD SUPPORT BRACKET
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 3500 MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1200W RMx SHIFT SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE LCD XT RGB CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
1 x 120mm Thermaltake TOUGHFAN 12 Case Fan
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS & UK OFFSHORE ISLANDS / N IRELAND
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book
Logo Branding
PCSpecialist Logo
Price: £0.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/Jh4dnwaD7H/
Thanks Ashenti - very similar spec if you subtract my data drive. I'd actually looked at that case a few times .. certainly different!

The VRAM was the reason I was trying to justify the 4090 originally ;) 16GB is absolute bare minimum for 4k gaming, but a plan to upgrade in a few years could offset getting a 4080 Super. I (mostly) like Nvida drivers over AMD, but that's a poor reason to buy a GPU on alone. I will use ray tracing on some games I'm sure, but not the be-all, end-all. Dropping frames for beauty is fine in some circumstances.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Keep in mind with the PSU that the size doesn't dictate the power usage, it merely gives the allowable limit.

In the 20-40% capacity I think the PSU runs at 0RPM fan mode, so it's silent. Additionally around the 50% mark is where it does well with efficiency. A 1200w PSU doesn't mean you'll be pulling 1.2kw or anything like that. It just gives the headroom for transient spikes and overclocking, as well as future proofing GPU purchases.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Also, if you're around 50% of a 500GB drive already, that suggests poor storage habits to me. I'm rarely over 100GB for Windows & Programs so there's something hogging around 100GB on your current system.

If your drive was to die today, you would lose all of that or have to replace all of it. Having it minimal means minimal faff & worry :)
 

AlDav

Member
Also, if you're around 50% of a 500GB drive already, that suggests poor storage habits to me. I'm rarely over 100GB for Windows & Programs so there's something hogging around 100GB on your current system.

If your drive was to die today, you would lose all of that or have to replace all of it. Having it minimal means minimal faff & worry :)
A tonne of large applications and an element of data (there, also on NAS and periodic external/remote backup). I use some cycling apps which can be huge. Could treat like games with some; others are Store apps so not so easy to manage.

1704814532679.png


1704814588999.png



Basically, within 50GB, that's about as much as I should use, all other things staying the same.

1704814890956.png
 
Top