[SOLVED] Best laid plans of mice and men - Mk2 proposed build (low priority)

[ChrAyl]

Hello again all,

Thanks firstly to those that helped me with my original build, really did appreciate your help: @Stephen M @Daniel Super @keithbeaks @SpyderTracks

Disclaimer: I do wonder, is it worth holding off until Zen 3, just in case? Also if holding off until PCIe4, in case that's helpful at all?

Things have taken a funny turn, I've recently been using some different rendering software, and this has flipped my original plan on its head My intention was to get a lot of cores such as a 3850X, but the new S/W prefers GPU rendering. I've been using it on my P2000 and GTX 1070 and it works OK on those (slightly better as expected on the 1070).

So my new plan is looking less at loads of cores and perhaps a reasonable amount of them instead- although I'll be multi tasking to an extent, I will largely be using single threaded apps that like high frequency. I've had 4 and 6 core machines, and really want to shift up more than 8 cores.

I fully appreciate the comments made about Intel being a bit dead in the water at the moment, but wondered about this in case they've improved:

1. CPU: i9-10900 (no letters at the end)
2. GPU: RTX 3070/3080
3. RAM: 32GB (non-ECC)

I'm going to re-use the good condition 1TB NVMe I already have, along with the Win10 licence.

So far as inputs:

Monitors: 3 x 27in (not 4K, I've been told CAD gets squirrely)
USB: 1 x Mouse, 1 x Keyboard, 1 x Spacemouse, 1 x Dymo Label Printer, 1 x Phone charge, 1 x USB extension port (6)

I'd like to keep to a budget of £1700-1800 this time round if at all possible. I was going to sell my GTX 1070, perhaps it'll go for £100 or so.

Thanks in advance, yet again!

Chris

 

[SpyderTracks]

Current gen AMD is already on PCIe 4, but even so, I would definitely hold out for AMD Ryzen 5000 announcement on the 8th October, they’re set to be quite special especially in single core, but also a significant improvement in multicore.

 

[ChrAyl]

Current gen AMD is already on PCIe 4, but even so, I would definitely hold out for AMD Ryzen 5000 announcement on the 8th October, they’re set to be quite special especially in single core, but also a significant improvement in multicore.

Thank you for that, very much appreciated, I can easily wait until then.

 

[Gavras]

Thank you for that, very much appreciated, I can easily wait until then.

The other bit to be aware about in regards to the intel is that it’s not PCIe4 capable.

That on its own is not usually much of a problem, however the recent release of Nvidia cards brings with it faster GPU access to NVME storage through RTX IO leveraging PCIe4 capable architecture.

PC game load times are about to get a whole lot faster thanks to Microsoft's DirectStorage tech

Microsoft's Xbox Velocity Architecture is coming to PCs in the form of DirectStorage. We explain what it is, how it's going to improve NVMe SSDs, and where RTX

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I can see this dead ending the current Intel architecture

no doubt Intel will release a new setup to replace Tiger Lake.

Also Intel are working on their own GPU’s and what it touts as Xe technolog.

Intel Puts Its Xe GPU Stakes In The Ground

For about a decade, Intel has sold GPUs, in recent years with its integrated CPU-GPU devices used in client and entry servers. But for the most part, at

www.nextplatform.com

 

[ChrAyl]

The other bit to be aware about in regards to the intel is that it’s not PCIe4 capable.

That on its own is not usually much of a problem, however the recent release of Nvidia cards brings with it faster GPU access to NVME storage through RTX IO leveraging PCIe4 capable architecture.

I can see this dead ending the current Intel architecture

no doubt Intel will release a new setup to replace Tiger Lake.

Also Intel are working on their own GPU’s and what it touts as Xe technolog.

Thank you very much for that, I didn't know that about intel/pcie4.

So would the RTX 3080 benefit from pcie4 do you think?

So if it's potentially dead ending the intel Architecture, that would mean that there's no upgrade path? Mind you, I've seen how Intel seem to not care about that with the regular change of sockets.

Thanks again!

 

[Gavras]

Thank you very much for that, I didn't know that about intel/pcie4.

So would the RTX 3080 benefit from pcie4 do you think?

So if it's potentially dead ending the intel Architecture, that would mean that there's no upgrade path? Mind you, I've seen how Intel seem to not care about that with the regular change of sockets.

Thanks again!

I think for normal day to day stuff, the average user would not notice a difference.

however, when you look at processing that could take 30 mins or hours to complete, this is when I believe it will be a big change.

of course it means matching up the technology on the right platform.

For now that appears to be AMD with something like a x570 motherboard, an Nvidia 3000 card and 2 x PCIe M.2 (small for OS and large for applications), with a choice of HDD or SSD for the big storage area (or NAS).

 

[SpyderTracks]

With gpu, the difference between PCIe 3 and 4 is up to 3%

It’s storage where PCIe 4 is so important.

 

[Gavras]

With gpu, the difference between PCIe 3 and 4 is up to 3%

It’s storage where PCIe 4 is so important.

yes and no, it’s the interaction between NVME and the GPU, rather than NVME to CPU to GPU.

First there is Nvidia’s RTX IO and the Microsoft’s DirectStorage (pretty much same thing different words)

Ignoring the gaming side of things, these could potentially with processing where RW to storage is important AND the processing activity is measured in hours or a minimum of 30 mins say.

admittedly until this all hits the real world properly it’s pure conjecture and means reading through the marketing hype etc.

 

[SpyderTracks]

yes and no, it’s the interaction between NVME and the GPU, rather than NVME to CPU to GPU.

First there is Nvidia’s RTX IO and the Microsoft’s DirectStorage (pretty much same thing different words)

Ignoring the gaming side of things, these could potentially with processing where RW to storage is important AND the processing activity is measured in hours or a minimum of 30 mins say.

admittedly until this all hits the real world properly it’s pure conjecture and means reading through the marketing hype etc.

Yes, so storage is where it matters. Weather that’s related to cpu or gpu doesn’t make any difference.

 

[ChrAyl]

I think for normal day to day stuff, the average user would not notice a difference....

Thank you very much for that, really helpful. I guess my processing, judging by my experience of the new rendering software, is minutes than hours, so perhaps in that case it doesn't make much of a difference?

 

[ChrAyl]

Yes, so storage is where it matters

yes and no, it’s the interaction between NVME and the GPU, rather than NVME to CPU to GPU.

I think I understand - very nicely put both of you, thank you.