Ryzen 9000 officially announced for July 31st Release

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Unfortunately synthetic and real world tend to be quite different. Real world power users aren't going to be looking at 14600k's and 9700X's.... that's gaming territory where it's more simple threaded workloads.

When it comes to the big boys AM5 and 14th gen currently trade blows synthetically. They both do their own wheelhouse better than the other. This has came at one helluva cost though and is the reason that Intel are really deep in it right now.
 
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TonyCarter said:
If my business depended on it, I'd rather have a AMD CPU that can run, flat-out, all day every day, and deliver 95% of the performance of the 'best' CPU, than one that will throttle after an hour and probably crash every few hours (or need to be artificially under-powered so that it's slower than the CPU I should have bought).
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Not to mention the cost savings with the power difference.

I know this might not be too impactful in the bottom line but it will be for what you show on your efficiency metrics and company display boards :D
 
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Scott said:
Not to mention the cost savings with the power difference.

I know this might not be too impactful in the bottom line but it will be for what you show on your efficiency metrics and company display boards :D
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Yeah, when you’re doing 48 hour full load render jobs, 40% power gains over previous AMD let alone Intel is a significant saving!
 
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Scott said:
Not to mention the cost savings with the power difference.

I know this might not be too impactful in the bottom line but it will be for what you show on your efficiency metrics and company display boards :D
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I did a little calculation at home for my gaming PC usage.
  • based on 4 hours of gaming use a day (average)
  • using about 500W (0.5KW) for 7800X3D (80w), RTX4090 (400w), 4 m.2 SSDs (4x5w=20w)
  • electricity @ 24p/KW
  • excluding the extortionate 67p/day standing charge as we are paying that anyway
4 x 0.5 x 0.24 = 48p/day = £175/year


If I put an 14900K in there then that goes up to
  • based on 4 hours of gaming use a day (average)
  • using about 650W (0.65KW) for 14900K (230w), RTX4090 (400w), 4 m.2 SSDs (4x5w=20w)
  • electricity @ 24p/KW
  • excluding the extortionate 67p/day standing charge as we are paying that anyway
4 x 0.65 x 0.24 = 62p/day = £228/year

So £50/year more per computer, for something that is not running 24/7. If it was running 24/7 then it would be £300/year more per computer.
 
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SpyderTracks said:
Worth watching

Edit: totally missed you’d just posted this @TonyCarter its an interesting watch

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Good video that and made some cracking points.

The earlier video showing the improvements from a proper deep dive into PBO, Curve tuning and memory tuning shows the potential of the chip. No way that level of understanding or overclocking should be put onto the consumer though. As stated, a 105 chip as default with the option to then push it, would be far better.

It's a very poor showing from AMD but at least for the enthusiasts it should actually make for a good chip. There might be another win/win in this as well, they will likely drop the prices pretty quickly with the failed launch so people who are willing to play will get an outright bargain!
 
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TonyCarter said:
Just get some Kryonaut in there, mess with PBO, CO, FCLK, LN2, etc. and you're sorted ;)
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I think this is a Marmite moment.

BUT, it does make me very excited for the 9800X3D and even the 9950X3D, I think they're going to be quite remarkable.

From what Moore's Law was saying Zen 5 doesn't have the same limitations on frequency with the 3DVCache like Zen 4 did, so we could see something quite extraordinary from those 2 chips.
 
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SpyderTracks said:
I think this is a Marmite moment.

BUT, it does make me very excited for the 9800X3D and even the 9950X3D, I think they're going to be quite remarkable.

From what Moore's Law was saying Zen 5 doesn't have the same limitations on frequency with the 3DVCache like Zen 4 did, so we could see something quite extraordinary from those 2 chips.
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This is the thing for me. I think they have an easy win if they can simply have the X3D not limited in frequency. Just having the same range and options as the 9700X would raise a few eyebrows I think. We know what the chip does when limited and how well it reacts to PBO etc already. A higher ceiling on the frequency is going to be significant I think.
 
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Now available for pre-order on the configurator...

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Any reason why they're not available yet? Have I missed something with the release?

Edit: Just checked Scan and they're saying 13th August.
 
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I wonder if AMD are taking this opportunity with Intel being on the backfoot, that they've intentionally focussed entirely on efficiency planning ahead as they realise the real competition is from ARM from the likes of Apple Silicon and the new Snapdragon X series SOC's.

We'll see what arrow lake actually manages from Intel, the fact they've raised the TJMax to 105c does not fill me with confidence, but the architecture itself is a mimic of apple silicon so perhaps they'll manage something worthwhile.

It's a huge risk for AMD, and I think too early, they should have unlocked the 9700x to 105W and taken the efficiency hit, they need to unquestionably rule with this generation, and not by a margin but by a significant amount if they want to solidify winning Intel fanboys over. I don't think they've done that with these 2 chips, we'll see if the high core count CPU's are different.
 
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I expect the 9950X will stomp over everything. It will be the No. 1 desktop CPU until/unless intel can top it in their next gen CPUs.

Jayz2Cents did PBO testing of the 9700X and got around a 10% performance boost but the power draw doubled.

Efficiency is moot in a desktop system so not sure why they focussed so heavily in that for desktop processors but it should bode very well for laptop CPUs.
 
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Paul1964 said:
Efficiency is moot in a desktop system so not sure why they focussed so heavily in that for desktop processors but it should bode very well for laptop CPUs.
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This is the thing though, with Arm processors now encroaching on X86 using a 5th of the power under load, and so many countries now with sky high energy prices, plus governments starting to mandate green initiatives, I think AMD realise that they have to take it more seriously.

i have no doubt that AMD and Intel will move away from X86 to Arm or RiskV, X86 is already at the stage where node reductions are so complex that yield rates are steadily reducing and therefore prices increasing

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Wafer Pricing Adjustments by TSMC in 2025: Rise 10%

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) is reportedly considering a 10% price increase for its wafer products in 2025, as indicated by a Morgan Stanley client note.
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https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20230713PD205/3nm-ic-manufacturing-samsung-south-korea-yield-rate.html#:~:text=It's%20speculated%20that%20in%202023,that%20it's%20approaching%20TSMC's%20level.

At some stage it’s inevitable it won’t be a viable design anymore
 
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Just watched this as I have been really confused about these 2 processors


Its confirmed 3 things for me:

9700x should have been a Ryzen 5 part, should have been the 9600 (current 9600x) and 9600x. It doesn’t deserve the Ryzen 7 moniker.

HUB remain some of the strongest scientific testing methodologies among them especially for monitors.

LTT are dead to me, they hugely misrepresented this release, coupled with Intel shilling regarding being a motherboard partner fault in any way is just beyond reproach. I don’t really care about their intentions, doesn’t bother me if it’s intentional or not, if they respected their viewers more, those 2 videos would never have been release (especially after their recent very public self own for bad information). I’m still signed up to GameLinked and TechLinked because I really like Riley but that’s it.

Oh, and a 4th which I’ve just thought of, Intel are twits.
 
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