Review PC for Cyberpunk and the upcoming Doom Dark Ages?

[thebeardedsurfer]

Hi everyone,
I bought my current PC in 2017. Unfortunately, the graphics card (GTX 1080) has more or less died and I'm relying on integrated graphics now. I had my eye on the Black Friday PC but because of work I missed out and they sold out

I've now got my eye on this Review PC: Nebula-Supreme-R:

• Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 265K
• Windows 11 Home
• GIGABYTE Z890 EAGLE WIFI7
• 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE 5600MHz
• 16GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4080 SUPER
• 2TB SAMSUNG 990 PRO M.2

Is this sensible? I'd end up upgrading my monitor after the new year. For the PC, this Nebula price is the highest I'd want to go.


For reference, this is my current PC. I'm not sure it would even handle Cyberpunk or the upcoming Doom game, even if I were to replace the graphics card (would it even be compatible with modern cards?).

Case
NZXT S340 MID TOWER GAMING CASE (BLACK/BLUE)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor i7-8700k (3.7GHz) 12MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME Z370-P: ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080 - DVI, HDMI, 3x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st M.2 SSD Drive
256GB WD Black™ M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 2050MB/s R | 700MB/s W)
1st Storage Drive
1TB WD BLACK 3.5" WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H100i V2 Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
LED Lighting
50cm White LED Strip
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
NO OFFICE SOFTWARE
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Monitor
ASUS VG248QE 24" 3D 144Hz GAMING DISPLAY
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)

 

[Scott]

I would strongly advise against any Intel system. Not sure how closely you keep in touch with tech etc but I don't think anyone would advise Intel over AMD under any circumstances right now.

I probably wouldn't bother with a review spec either. Typically you'll get better bang for your buck if you build a bespoke system catered to yourself, not simply to save money (most often you won't) but over the lifetime of the PC making more prudent choices to cater for your specific needs can save money in the long run.

Have a look here and feed back on the budget/monitor queries if it's just solely for gaming. There's some optional reading in there that can be quite handy if you're a bit out of the loop. I've not updated a lot of it in a while but the brands and logic still totally apply.

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[thebeardedsurfer]

I would strongly advise any Intel system. Not sure how closely you keep in touch with tech etc but I don't think anyone would advise Intel over AMD under any circumstances right now.

I probably wouldn't bother with a review spec either. Typically you'll get better bang for your buck if you build a bespoke system catered to yourself, not simply to save money (most often you won't) but over the lifetime of the PC making more prudent choices to cater for your specific needs can save money in the long run.

Have a look here and feed back on the budget/monitor queries if it's just solely for gaming. There's some optional reading in there that can be quite handy if you're a bit out of the loop. I've not updated a lot of it in a while but the brands and logic still totally apply.

Please read before posting:- Collaboration of Helpful Hints

NB: These forums are not an official support channel. None of us work for PCS, we're all either customers or techies who just like to help out where possible. For any official support, you need to contact PCS directly either through your PCS account, or via the contact details on the main...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Why would you advise against Intel?

In terms of use, gaming is the main use but I will also be doing 4k video editing on Premiere Pro, After Effects and Photoshop. I'm also streaming Plex 4k video.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Why would you advise against Intel?

In terms of use, gaming is the main use but I will also be doing 4k video editing on Premiere Pro, After Effects and Photoshop. I'm also streaming Plex 4k video.

Intel are now the processors that you avoid, they’re very weak performance, require about double the power for less performance, can’t be cooled and overpriced, they’re also inherently unstable generally

Theres literally no use case where they can even compete, about 30% behind on average

 

[Scott]

Why would you advise against Intel?

In terms of use, gaming is the main use but I will also be doing 4k video editing on Premiere Pro, After Effects and Photoshop. I'm also streaming Plex 4k video.

Above covers the Intel point, they've been out of favour with neutral enthusiasts for years but it's gotten to the point now where even die hard fans are seeing the light. It's a shame as we all want competition for a good market, they've totally dropped the ball though.

If you could have a look through the link I posted and hit the main queries in bold we will be able to get something knocked together for you that's bespoke.

You need to help us to help you though, please take some time to fill in the blanks for us

 

[thebeardedsurfer]

Above covers the Intel point, they've been out of favour with neutral enthusiasts for years but it's gotten to the point now where even die hard fans are seeing the light. It's a shame as we all want competition for a good market, they've totally dropped the ball though.

If you could have a look through the link I posted and hit the main queries in bold we will be able to get something knocked together for you that's bespoke.

You need to help us to help you though, please take some time to fill in the blanks for us

Monitor - Model or Resolution AND refresh rate. If you don't have one, what is the budget you have for one?
I currently have the old ASUS VG248QE, but I will likely get something like the PC Specialist GD-27Q180 as it has a higher refresh rate, 1440p and seems very cost effective.

Uses - What is the system for. Is it just gaming? What about VR? Streaming? Video processing?
Gaming, mainly - I'd finally like to be able to play things like Spacemarine II, Cyberpunk and Doom the Dark Ages when it's released. I will also be doing video processing/editing (4k files on Adobe Premiere, After Effects, plus Photoshop). I also use my computer to stream 4k video to my TV and other devices with Plex.

Max Budget - We need to know where to spend and where to cut back. Some items are more important than others so knowing the margins we have to work within we can will always try to accommodate your budget. This is a fixed ceiling you're not willing to go above, it doesn't change.
Ideally no more than £2200, which is why I thought that review PC I posted earlier would have been a good idea.

 

[Scott]

First stab below. £2400 isn't really enough to get you into 4080 Super territory without compromising other areas. The new GPUs are around the corner so you're not getting good value at the moment anyway so better to cut back a little and match the monitor than to over-spend on an already expensive bit of kit.

I wasn't sure what aesthetic you wanted with the case, there are good choices and bad choices. I just went with the Fractal is it's a really good case and has a neutral aesthetic.

If you're looking at 1440p with a decent refresh the 4070 Ti Super has you more than covered.

Case
FRACTAL NORTH TG GAMING CASE (BLACK)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB ZOTAC GEFORCE RTX 4070 Ti SUPER TRINITY BLACK EDITION - HDMI, 3 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 3325MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1200W RMx SHIFT SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR ICUE LINK TITAN 240 RX RGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £2,482.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/R6tKwZ65pQ/

 

[thebeardedsurfer]

First stab below. £2400 isn't really enough to get you into 4080 Super territory without compromising other areas. The new GPUs are around the corner so you're not getting good value at the moment anyway so better to cut back a little and match the monitor than to over-spend on an already expensive bit of kit.

I wasn't sure what aesthetic you wanted with the case, there are good choices and bad choices. I just went with the Fractal is it's a really good case and has a neutral aesthetic.

If you're looking at 1440p with a decent refresh the 4070 Ti Super has you more than covered.

Case
FRACTAL NORTH TG GAMING CASE (BLACK)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB ZOTAC GEFORCE RTX 4070 Ti SUPER TRINITY BLACK EDITION - HDMI, 3 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 3325MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1200W RMx SHIFT SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR ICUE LINK TITAN 240 RX RGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Price: £2,482.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/R6tKwZ65pQ/

Any particular reason for a 1200w PSU?

 

[Scott]

Any particular reason for a 1200w PSU?

There are a few reasons. I'll see if I can summarise:

The 750w RM offering is ATX3.1 standard, this allows for transient spikes which plague modern GPUs as they can pull double the power draw. Unfortunately, 750w just isn't enough for a 4080 Super and it wouldn't allow for any future upgrades.

The 850w RMx offering is ATX2.4 (I think) standard. This doesn't allow for transient spikes which modern GPUs will all suffer from, when this happens you get stability issues, often blue screens or even forced shutdowns. They are occasional but very annoying. Even without that consideration I see 850w as right on the razors edge for a 4080 Super personally, the next generation of GPUs are stated to be even more power hungry so 850w wouldn't be enough for any sort of upgrade.

The 1000w RMx offering is also ATX2.4 (I think) standard. As above it doesn't cover the transient spikes. 1000w is where I would typically have the 4080 Super as it covers the GPU itself, just about covers the transient spike headroom requirement (as it's a quality PSU) and could possibly cover GPU upgrades down the line. The down side is that it isn't ATX3.1, which is the current standard. If spending ITRO £140 to just about cover your needs and potentially have room for a future upgrade it just doesn't make sense to not spend the extra £15 to get the cover all bases option.

The 1200w RMX Shift offering is ATX3.1 standard. It covers all transient spike issues and has 1200w of headroom to cover any and all current GPU offering. The expectation is that it will cover the next generation as I can't see even the 5090 needing more, especially with the 3.1 standard in place. 3.1 also brings the modern cable layout which uses the new 12VHPWR cable for simple connection to GPUs without the need for dangerous adapters.

If there was a 1000w ATX3.1 standard PSU on offer I would recommend it instead. Unfortunately the only 2 offerings are the 750w and the 1200w. On a modern system I wouldn't settle for anything other than ATX3.x personally.