Requiring help on a good PC for Certain games

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[SpyderTracks]

Hello all,

Recently I have been looking at upgrading my laptop for a better one to play games and for it to run smoother with university work.

However now I'm considering buying a PC where I can do work from home easier and also play some games.

Looking for suggestions on PC builds pre made or something that you can come up with that will help me.

Some of the games that I would be playing on pc include.

Rust, Modded minecraft (biggest mod packs) games the require the graphics of these games really.

My budget for buying a PC is around £1000 however I'm open to spending more but less would be better. Not sure where to start so any feedback is appreciated.

Thanks

What monitor are you pairing it with, what make and model?

 

[9Matty9]

What monitor are you pairing it with, what make and model?

The monitor that I have is a viewsonic VX3211 - MHd 32" 4K Monitor. 60Hz Refresh rate

 

[Deleted member 17413]

I dont think you are going to get anything worthwhile out of a £1000 budget, especially if you are going to run the monitor at 4K.
To properly run that 4K 60MHz screen I think you are looking at a RTX 3070 or AMD 6700XT, but 4K gaming isnt a great spot at the moment and generally 1440p is where you'll get best experience.

To run the monitor fully and cap out your fps to a constant 60fps on any game on full settings, I think you would still be looking the next step up in GPU

£1000 budget would just about (if pushed by £100 or so) get you a 1080p build worth taking. And it would be a slim build that you would upgrade and add to to turn into 1440p. Prices are all high atm, but even before it would of been a tight budget for a custom system.

 

[9Matty9]

The monitor that I have is a viewsonic VX3211 - MHd 32" 4K Monitor. Not sure if that helps?

I dont think you are going to get anything worthwhile out of a £1000 budget, especially if you are going to run the monitor at 4K.
To properly run that 4K 60MHz screen I think you are looking at a RTX 3070 or AMD 6700XT, but 4K gaming isnt a great spot at the moment and generally 1440p is where you'll get best experience.

To run the monitor fully and cap out your fps to a constant 60fps on any game on full settings, I think you would still be looking the next step up in GPU

£1000 budget would just about (if pushed by £100 or so) get you a 1080p build worth taking. And it would be a slim build that you would upgrade and add to to turn into 1440p. Prices are all high atm, but even before it would of been a tight budget for a custom system.

Hi sorry I'm a bit confused. So does the performance that my monitor outputs have a significant impact on how the PC is built? So say I was to get a 1080p build would a 4K monitor not be applicable to run to the best of it's abities?

 

[Deleted member 17413]

Your uses and your monitor all have a direct impact on how you would spec a computer.
A 4K screen has nearly 4 times the number of pixel to a 1080p screen, so much more output is needed from a GPU to display a frame, and the monitor Hz is effectively a cap on FPS, so even if you have a GPU putting out 100 frames per second, a 60Hz monitor can only display up to 60FPS.

You can change the resolution display of the monitor, I should think 1440p would look alright on it but not amazing, 1080p is going to look a little rough.

To get a GPU that can run the monitor at its native resolution well, you are looking mid-high end spec on the GPU, which is half the budget or more gone already on one component. Also, as a gaming prospect, 4K 60Hz isnt great... one of the points of gaming PC's is the ability to hit much better framerates for a smoother and more competitive experience. Another major point of getting a custom system is to get a machine with a good upgrade path and a decade or potential in it, rather than replacing it every 2/3 years.
To spec a machine that would be worth buying, and mean a decent upgrade path to a solid 1440p system (or better, say in a few years when 4K is more established/developed in gaming) and staying near your budget would rule out any GPU that could run that screen 1440p/4K properly, and 1080p on it is going to be very nice.... For about £1200 you can build a solid base for a 1080p that would do that.

Have to say, regarding the monitor,. it does have some nice touches like HDR and display gamut but it strikes me far more as a multimedia/editing monitor than one suited to gaming. In your shoes I would want to change that anyway for a 144Hz.

 

[9Matty9]

Your uses and your monitor all have a direct impact on how you would spec a computer.
A 4K screen has nearly 4 times the number of pixel to a 1080p screen, so much more output is needed from a GPU to display a frame, and the monitor Hz is effectively a cap on FPS, so even if you have a GPU putting out 100 frames per second, a 60Hz monitor can only display up to 60FPS.

You can change the resolution display of the monitor, I should think 1440p would look alright on it but not amazing, 1080p is going to look a little rough.

To get a GPU that can run the monitor at its native resolution well, you are looking mid-high end spec on the GPU, which is half the budget or more gone already on one component. Also, as a gaming prospect, 4K 60Hz isnt great... the whole point of gaming PC's is the ability to hit much better framerates for a smoother and more competitive experience.
To spec a machine that would be worth buying, and mean a decent upgrade path to a solid 1440p system (or better, say in a few years when 4K is more established/developed in gaming) and staying near your budget would rule out any GPU that could run that screen 1440p/4K properly, and 1080p on it is going to be very nice....
Monitor has some nice touches like HDR and display gamut but it strikes me far more as a multimedia/editing monitor than one suited to gaming.

Ok thanks that makes more sense now to me. Yeah the monitor was bought second hand off of a graphics designer. I have a Ps5 therefore wanted a 4K monitor in order to get the best experience. In terms of my budget what is your suggestion for me for building a PC. I would push my budget to £1200 max

 

[Deleted member 17413]

sorry, i editing a little.. missed a couple of details.

 

[Deleted member 17413]

Ok thanks that makes more sense now to me. Yeah the monitor was bought second hand off of a graphics designer. I have a Ps5 therefore wanted a 4K monitor in order to get the best experience. In terms of my budget what is your suggestion for me for building a PC. I would push my budget to £1200 max

For a PS5, its probably a great experience, console gaming is lower FPS generally anyway so it doesnt have the same worries, for a desktop.... its limiting.

 

[Deleted member 17413]

I would start worrying if I cut it back any further than this
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And I would advise that if you can squeeze to £1269 you change the CPU to the 5600X. The new 5000 series are a considerable step forward.

It gives you an excellent core in a case with good performance for airflow and thermals. Case still has room for regular SSD or HDD should you want it, and the LED front is controllable RGB, with opening sidedoors to make life easy, motherboard is a solid starting point too, option to add a Gen 4 M.2 SSD in as a OS drive (so buy a samsung 980 pro 500GB to add at some point, then use the 1TB PCS M.2 as a games drive) PSU is modular and decent headroom, also ready to take a GPU upgrade when you step up to 1440p etc
AX200 so decent WiFi (also includes Bluetooth) but if you use LAN rather than wireless, can drop that to save £20 if needed.

Case can also take a roof mounted 240mm radiator for a AIO cooler should you want to upgrade cooling options, but both the 3600 and 5600 are fine on their stock coolers (personally, i'd look for a H100i RGB Platinum should you want to add a AIO, not currently on the site but used to be). Should you upgrade it yourself simply move the roof fan to the front and leaves you two intakes front, two roof extracts (AIO Fans) and a rear extract.

The 1660 Super is 1080p, and probably looking at upgrading early on (which is also why cheapest option here, to get the build itself in)
Fine for 1080p 144Hz, Id get a decent 1440p monitor and upgrade the GPU to a RTX 3070/AMD 6700XT or whatever the current equivilent is this time next year.