PROTEUS VI questions

[xKDCx]

I am thinking about a Proteus 6, too.
But the reviews say it gets very hot and now I'm unsure. The only advice I found was using 'throttlestop' which deactivates the turbo so the CPU stays at 2,2 GHz. This doesn't make sense to me because you cut the CPU speed in half with this?
Does anybody have some advice? Maybe some owners of the Proteus with rtx?

 

[Oussebon]

Which reviews, specifically?

A lot of laptop chassis do have relatively high temps for the i7 8750H - hotter than you'd have expected for a CPU say 6 years ago.

The usual recommendation is not to turn of turbo boost, because as you say that nerfs the CPU, but rather to undervolt the CPU. This can be used to reduce power draw, improving temps and potentially performance as well (if you do it right, it certainly doesn't hurt performance).

 

[ixende]

I was checking the sales website frequently for the Proteus VI for the last few months and recently I noticed this "Special Offer" tag on the laptop. However the price seems to be exactly the same compared to before. Can someone tell me what the offer is (if its not price)?

@xKDCx throttlestop not only has the option of disabling turbo, but it is also able to control the turbo ratio.
Most laptops thermal throttle on the cpu, so I recommend 1)Undervolting, 2)Limit turbo 3)repaste the cpu with better thermal paste (kyronaut or conductonaut)

 

[xKDCx]

I mean reviews like this:

Proteus VI i7-8750H CPU Reaching 100ºC

Hi all, I recently ordered a laptop with the following configuration: Chassis & Display Proteus Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD 60Hz 45% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080) (Quanta NLC5 chassis) Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 8750H (2.2GHz, 4.1GHz Turbo) Memory (RAM) 32GB Corsair...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Proteus VI RTX

Spec outlined below:- Chassis & Display Proteus Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080) Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 8750H (2.2GHz, 4.1GHz Turbo) Memory (RAM) 16GB Corsair 2666MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB) Graphics Card NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Also: is the master thermal gel worth it?
And do the fans really get as loud as a vacuum cleaner?
Sorry for the many questions, only had consoles before.

 

[Oussebon]

The CPU getting to 100 degrees in that first review wasn't normal, it was some kind of fault.

As for the fans, they are going to be loud to some degree during gaming. It's usually possible to control laptop fans to some degree with the control-centre type software. One of the people in that 2nd thread you linked was having trouble with that. You could always contact PCS directly and ask if the software provided with the Proteus allows fan profile customisation / controlling the fan speed.

You say you've had consoles before; do you need the system to be portable? If not, desktop PCs offer usually more performance for the same price and have more upgrade options. Do you need to take the system out of the home or are you looking for portability within the home only?

 

[xKDCx]

I don't know if there is enough time left to ask because there seems to be a special offer for the Proteus?
I want the portability of the laptop but want it to last the next console generation (PS5) that's why I want the rtx 2070.

 

[Oussebon]

Someone else was saying that the pricing wasn't very reduced.

I'm not sure what the special offer means tbh. If there was a price reduction maybe it was quite slight. It could also be that the chassis is being discontinued and they're selling off the last of the stock. You could only find out by asking them.

One thing to bear in mind is that with online shopping, you have certain return rights. You can also read about returns in PCS's Terms and conditions. i.e. if you get the laptop and don't like it, you have options to get a refund, even if you do have to pay for postage (they offer a courier for £35 for returns apparently) https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/terms/

Of course it's an element of hassle, but it does give you a safety net.

 

[ixende]

If the "special offer" tag means its probably clearing stock, its quite a bit misleading.
I was monitoring the laptop over the past few months as I wanted a laptop upgrade, which is a bit of a disappointment for the price to remain exactly the same.
However, the proteus VI is a good value for its specs, but honestly Im waiting for the 9750H cpu refresh.
The leaks so far on the new cpu say that may be some improvement over the current 8750H while others says its the same cpu with a refresh.
Assuming the announcement from Intel at the start of May, and availability in June.

 

[xKDCx]

The return fee would be 40 Euros for me, which is quite much, but better than being unsatisfied with a 1500 Euros purchase I suppose.
I'm having a look at some gaming laptops tomorrow but I think I'll try the Proteus, as it seems the best value with an rtx 2070.
I don't expect too much from the next generation as it's still the same NM size?
Also the price will be higher I think?
The only thing I really don't like about the Proteus are the big bezels, but there is no alternative with the full rtx 2070, is there?

 

[Oussebon]

The 17" Recoil had a 'full' RTX 2070, but that's no longer available.

Feels like a refresh of the various chassis is coming up, maybe. Could be to do with the new Intel CPUs, though tbh I thought they'd be more of a refresh than a big shift. I haven't followed them closely tbh.

 

[ixende]

MSI Laptops With Eight-Core CPUs Listed at Amazon

MSI's newest laptop entries on Amazon list Intel's first mobile-oriented eight-core processors.

www.tomshardware.com

heres an update on the 9750H which seems to be a 8core/8threads cpu
comparing to the 8750H which is a 6 core/12thread cpu.

Based on leaks, there is a slight performance increase, but the main improvement will be thermals. GamersNexus did a desktop 9700k compared to 8700k comparison so most likely this would benefit thermal throttling especially in laptops. Possibly sustained max turbo boost?!

 

[Oussebon]

i5s were usually cooler than i7s due to the lack of HT. I'm not sure the 9700k was much cooler than the 8700k though as while it eschewed HT, it did so in favour of frequencies so you ended up with more heat anyway.

I'm not sure if I saw that GN article, do you happen to have a link handy as I'd be interested to read

 

[ixende]

Intel i7-9700K Review vs. 8700K, 9900K, 2700, and More | GamersNexus

stub Intel’s new i7-9700K is available for about $400 to $430, which lands it between the 9900K – priced at around $550, on a good day – and the 8700K’s $370 price-point. We got ours for $400, looking to test the new 8C/8T CPU versus the not-that-old 8700K and the hyperthreaded 9900K of similar...

www.gamersnexus.net

@Oussebon Here you go. The thermals were the last graph on the article. Keep in mind they used the 8086K for the comparison as it is just a limited edition 8700k.
The 9700k (and the 9th series) was pre-soldered at the factory while the 8086/8700k used paste, so there might be lower thermals just by using solder. But yea, I agree with the fact that hyperthreading produces more heat for each core.

 

[Oussebon]

The 8086k is a higher clocked 8700k (higher single core anyway, similar on all-core load like in that blender article)

Shame they didn't get the chance to test the 9700k with paste instead of solder, as the soldering makes it hard to really tell whether it's the lack of HT that's really helping temps, or to what degree.

Do we know if the laptop CPUs are soldered? (as in, soldered IHS, not the usual kind of soldered we talk about for laptops!)

Thanks for the link

 

[ixende]

if ur talking about those clevo models such as octane uses then yes they are using the desktop cpu which are soldered. As for laptops "H" cpus they dont have a IHS, and is directly attached to the heatpipes anyway. Thats why the limiting factor is the paste between the direct die and heat spreader and the cause for high temps is the paste used by most manufacturers. I personally use liquid metal in my laptops for cooling

 

[ixende]

Forgot to mention
I believe they did test the 9700k with paste- using a 9900k with paste and disabling hyperthreading which is the 2nd last bar on the graph.

 

[Oussebon]

Ah, yes, good point.

For the GN article, I thought the 9700k at the top was stock, while the second to last (9900k) one was 8C/16T with 5GHz on all cores. I won't have time to read into detail until later though.

 

[xKDCx]

I just ordered the Proteus.
I believe (hope) the refresh won't make that much of a difference and will be more expensive for the next months.

 

[ixende]

@xKDCx Enjoy ur purchase! The proteus VI is a good purchase regardless.

Im waiting because its not that urgent for me to get a laptop right now, and I would rather wait for the refresh.

 

[xKDCx]

It's seems the Proteus will be sold out soon. The German keyboard is sold out and it got 50 Euros cheaper