Price Difference

[TheDOG]

So I made a build and paid and ordered it on Monday (5th October) and today for a bit of fun I was messing around with builds. But my build was auto saved and it was cheaper. An Extreme Kit build with a 3090 Strix and i9 10900k. Some additionals. I initially paid £4,710.00 and now the exact build costs £4,589.00 I have tried to see the difference but I cannot see it. Either I'm blind or it is cheaper by £121. I have sent an email with the info I found. My current build is in Pre-Production, and obviously the company are closed so wondered if there were some helpful individuals here that could potentially compare the two builds. Either I am blind and need to see an optician or I've lost £121. If this is true to be slightly cheaper now do you think they will price match since it was only ordered on Monday. With an extra £121 I could buy a second EK Cryo-fuel colour and some nice braided cables.

So for the keen eye.

Here is my paid and ordered build:

Case
CORSAIR OBSIDIAN SERIES™ 1000D FULL TOWER CASE
Custom Liquid Cooling Kit
Liquid Series RGB Extreme Kit - EK
Tubing
Clear Hardline Acrylic Tubing (Black Fittings)
Graphics Card Cooling
GPU Water Block - For One Graphics Card!
Coolant Colour
EK-CryoFuel White
LED Lighting
2x 50cm RGB LED Strip
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked Intel® Core™ i9-10900K 10 Core (3.7GHz @ up to 5.1GHz)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO Wi-Fi (LGA1200, USB 3.2, CrossFireX/SLI) - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
24GB ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE RTX 3090 - HDMI, DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 665p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 2000MB/sR | 1925MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Extra Case Fans
8 x Corsair LL120 RGB LED Fan + 2 x Controller Kit (1000D ONLY)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Liquid Series® Build - RTX 13 to 15 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book - United Kingdom & Republic of Ireland
Logo Branding
PCSpecialist Logo

£4,710.00



And here is the new build same specs unless I am truly blind with a price difference of £121:


Case
CORSAIR OBSIDIAN SERIES™ 1000D FULL TOWER CASE
Custom Liquid Cooling Kit
Liquid Series RGB Extreme Kit - EK
Tubing
Clear Hardline Acrylic Tubing (Black Fittings)
Graphics Card Cooling
GPU Water Block - For One Graphics Card!
Coolant Colour
EK-CryoFuel White
LED Lighting
2x 50cm RGB LED Strip
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked Intel® Core™ i9-10900K 10 Core (3.7GHz @ up to 5.1GHz)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO Wi-Fi (LGA1200, USB 3.2, CrossFireX/SLI) - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
24GB ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE RTX 3090 - HDMI, DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 665p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 2000MB/sR | 1925MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Extra Case Fans
8 x Corsair LL120 RGB LED Fan + 2 x Controller Kit (1000D ONLY)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Liquid Series® Build - RTX 13 to 15 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book - United Kingdom & Republic of Ireland
Logo Branding
PCSpecialist Logo

£4,589.00

 

[SpyderTracks]

Prices fluctuate daily, PCS amend prices on the fly to remain as fair as possible so you will see fluctuations like that.

The more important question is why oh why are you going intel, that's mental?

 

[TheDOG]

Unfortunately i am a biased pig. I was tempted to go AMD this build has been in my mind for almost a year. A year of saving and research.

I have been tempted for a while for AMD but have always been swayed by friends and online reviews regarding gaming, this build is already overkill for my needs. I decided to spend a rediculous and stupid amount on a build. But it will be a build used ONLY for gaming. My current i7 6700k build will uptake the role of work and stream PC while this new one will ONLY be for games. I have 3 G7 27" IN 2K 240hz. But am planning on upgrading them to 4k 240hz when MSI release there new monitors. But for me I haven't been impressed by the gaming performance of the Ryzen chips compared to the Intel's. Now the new CPUs they are releasing the zen 4 is it? I don't know much about. But I know intel. So I stick to something I know and can manage with overclocking and maintaining. Where as ryzen I don't know anything.

Regarding my initial query and your response do you believe they will price match, as an additional £121 to add to my current build would be great.

Cheers for the quick response and sorry the cpu offends you, unfortunately I am an Intel fanboy, but I admit that AMD are starting to get me more and more interested.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Unfortunately i am a biased pig. I was tempted to go AMD this build has been in my mind for almost a year. A year of saving and research.

I have been tempted for a while for AMD but have always been swayed by friends and online reviews regarding gaming, this build is already overkill for my needs. I decided to spend a rediculous and stupid amount on a build. But it will be a build used ONLY for gaming. My current i7 6700k build will uptake the role of work and stream PC while this new one will ONLY be for games. I have 3 G7 27" IN 2K 240hz. But am planning on upgrading them to 4k 240hz when MSI release there new monitors. But for me I haven't been impressed by the gaming performance of the Ryzen chips compared to the Intel's. Now the new CPUs they are releasing the zen 4 is it? I don't know much about. But I know intel. So I stick to something I know and can manage with overclocking and maintaining. Where as ryzen I don't know anything.

Regarding my initial query and your response do you believe they will price match, as an additional £121 to add to my current build would be great.

Cheers for the quick response and sorry the cpu offends you, unfortunately I am an Intel fanboy, but I admit that AMD are starting to get me more and more interested.

They won't price match, when you make any purchase you're essentially entering into a financial agreement at that point in time.

Seriously though, the advice you've gotten regarding intel being better for gaming is only relevant at 1080p competitive play, anything above 1080p, the load is transferred to the GPU, and at 4k you'll find the £100 3300x beats the £550 10900k.

That's aside from the plethora of more significant problems with intel, and the fact that new AMD cpu's are being released in a couple of weeks that utterly destroy intel in the single core race.

AMD Vs Intel

So some of you aren't aware of the reasons why so many people are heading away from Intel to AMD, so thought it would be important to lay that out for people to refer back to. A lot of you will go to cpubenchmark or userbenchmark to find performance metrics for CPU's. These sites are complete...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

AMD reveals its new Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 processors, including the “world’s best gaming CPU”

Zen 3 is here.

www.theverge.com

I would STRONGLY urge you to educate yourself on exactly what you're buying there, it's a really really bad idea, you'll get max speeds on M2 drives of 3500mbs rather than 9000mbs with AMD, along with many many other issues, just an awful choice for zero return.

 

[Scott]

You're effectively setting fire to £2k with this build to be honest. Even being lavish and getting high end... well.. everything, you wouldn't be spending more than £3k when being sensible.

I wouldn't recommend an open loop water cooler, Intel or the 3090 in a gaming rig.

 

[TheDOG]

Nothing about my choices are practical. I wanted an over the top build. An aesthetically pleasing build and one that won't need changing for a good few years. If AMD really do have a great CPU coming out I may upgrade the motherboard and CPU to AMD. But apart from that I'm happy to spend this. I'm fully aware the GPU isn't needed for gaming. I initially had the ideas of buying the 3080, but decided to change it to 3090. Eventually I would like to try 8k gaming when either the TVs come down in price or when monitors get released.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Nothing about my choices are practical. I wanted an over the top build. An aesthetically pleasing build and one that won't need changing for a good few years. If AMD really do have a great CPU coming out I may upgrade the motherboard and CPU to AMD. But apart from that I'm happy to spend this. I'm fully aware the GPU isn't needed for gaming. I initially had the ideas of buying the 3080, but decided to change it to 3090. Eventually I would like to try 8k gaming when either the TVs come down in price or when monitors get released.

It’s not a case of upgrading the motherboard and CPU, you’d have to cancel the build entirely.

Even if you did go ahead with that build, you’ll be waiting over a month for the 3090, you’d be mental not to ditch it for the 5900x.

Fanboys are cra-a-azy!!!! Don’t understand!

 

[TheDOG]

It’s not a case of upgrading the motherboard and CPU, you’d have to cancel the build entirely

How so? I understand the Hardline tubing would need to be altered slightly to and from the cpu and also the cpu water block would need changing but aside that the build isn't 'cancelled'.

 

[SpyderTracks]

How so? I understand the Hardline tubing would need to be altered slightly to and from the cpu and also the cpu water block would need changing but aside that the build isn't 'cancelled'.

If you're doing it yourself then sure, but then why are you ordering a custom build and not doing it yourself?

If doing through PCS, you have to cancel the current build and start over as they're 2 completely separate configurators.

 

[Scott]

Completely ignoring the ridiculousness of this build if you paired this with the 5900X and dropped the "overclocked" element of it, this would kick the 10900k up and down the place....

Case
CORSAIR OBSIDIAN SERIES™ 1000D FULL TOWER CASE
Custom Liquid Cooling Kit
Liquid Series RGB Extreme Kit - EK
Tubing
Clear Flexible Tubing (Black Fittings)
Graphics Card Cooling
GPU Water Block - For One Graphics Card!
Coolant Colour
EK-CryoFuel White
LED Lighting
2x 50cm RGB LED Strip
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12 Core (3.8GHz @ up to 4.3GHz)
Motherboard
ASUS® CROSSHAIR VIII HERO (DDR4, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX/SLI) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
24GB ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE RTX 3090 - HDMI, DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3300MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W AX SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® TITANIUM
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Extra Case Fans
8 x Corsair LL120 RGB LED Fan + 2 x Controller Kit (1000D ONLY)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Liquid Series® Build - RTX 13 to 15 working days
Price: £4,658.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-liquid/kKReTBXESz/

 

[Scott]

Below is what would be comparable when using sensible choices. Paired with another ML120 fan at the rear it would light up perfectly.

Again, swapping out the 3900XT for the 5900X.

Performance wise there wouldn't be much in it. I think it's around 5-10% more performance from the 3090 which costs around £800 more. No where near the returns that would make sense. There isn't a resolution jump between the cards so it's not worthwhile at all. Getting 50fps or 55fps at 8k resolution isn't really going to make much odds.

Case
CORSAIR OBSIDIAN SERIES™ 500D SE CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT 12 Core CPU (4.7GHz/70MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
10GB ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE RTX 3080 - HDMI, DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3300MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W AX SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® TITANIUM
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
TIMED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND - MON-FRI (BEFORE 2PM)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 9 to 11 working days
Price: £2,674.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/3Ynth0bE40/

 

[TheDOG]

Ok I concead. I will wait for November. And potentially go with AMD. I don't know if PC Specialists will accept an order cancel since I can't apply for an RMA since I don't have the pc. The status of the build says *Pre-Production*. Do either of you know if sending an email stating a order cancellation will be sufficient?

Cheers

 

[SpyderTracks]

Ok I concead. I will wait for November. And potentially go with AMD. I don't know if PC Specialists will accept an order cancel since I can't apply for an RMA since I don't have the pc. The status of the build says *Pre-Production*. Do either of you know if sending an email stating a order cancellation will be sufficient?

Cheers

If you go to the cancel bit on the main PCS account, it gives you the format at the bottom that you need to notify PCS of, you can do that now and up to 14 days after receiving the PC:

Email would be needed, or you could try the web chat on monday morning, they may be able to do it also.

 

[Scott]

I believe there's a proforma if you go into your account to cancel. I think it must have changed of late because you used to be able to just simply cancel.

You are well within your rights regardless though, up until 14 days after you actually receive the PC is the timeline for no quibble cancellation.

 

[TheDOG]

Ok. Well I have sent an email. So we shall see tomorrow. Intel must hate you two 😂😂😂

 

[SpyderTracks]

Ok. Well I have sent an email. So we shall see tomorrow. Intel must hate you two 😂😂😂

I think intel only have themselves to blame for misleading investors and loyal customers for so many years.

 

[Scott]

Ok. Well I have sent an email. So we shall see tomorrow. Intel must hate you two 😂😂😂

As above. I've got Intel myself and prior to Zen2 I almost always recommended Intel as they were the better option. As soon as the new chipsets were released with Zen 2 compatibility all that changed as AMD were now 7nm with a future and Intel were still on 14nm and at a dead end.

The biggest issue that Intel has now is even the pseudo crown is taken away so they have absolutely nothing to hang their hat on. I don't think Intel are due to hit sub 10nm for at least another 18 months or so which will allow AMD to just romp away with the market.

The only thing keeping Intel going just now is brand loyalty and blind assumption. Their name and brand is so huge that they won't crumble but they are in for one hell of a market share loss to AMD. For a long time AMD has been the better option and Intel have hung onto the gaming crown to save them, that's now gone too and I can't see it coming back.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that AMD aren't done. I am almost positive that if AMD wanted to hit 5Ghz.... they could have. The reason they have held back is that their IPC is SOOOO much more efficient that they don't need 5Ghz to crush Intel........ why put all your eggs into one basket when you can hit the magic 5Ghz number with a refresh to kick Intel again at the next release.

 

[TheDOG]

AMD haven't been the better option in the passed for gaming. Otherwise I would have chosen them before. Only up until now I'm slowly seeing the other side. But INTEL have always dominated Gaming CPUs. But AMD did always have the best multi purpose cpu for gaming and streaming combination. But gaming wise I disagree with there 3000 series CPUs.

 

[SpyderTracks]

AMD haven't been the better option in the passed for gaming. Otherwise I would have chosen them before. Only up until now I'm slowly seeing the other side. But INTEL have always dominated Gaming CPUs. But AMD did always have the best multi purpose cpu for gaming and streaming combination. But gaming wise I disagree with there 3000 series CPUs.

Not true, back in 2005 AMD were king with the Athlon 64's, but yeah, not since then:

Half Life 2 CPU Performance

www.anandtech.com

And you really need to watch those links I posted, the gaming crown for Intel is only relevant at 1080p, above that AMD beats them.

 

[Scott]

AMD haven't been the better option in the passed for gaming. Otherwise I would have chosen them before. Only up until now I'm slowly seeing the other side. But INTEL have always dominated Gaming CPUs. But AMD did always have the best multi purpose cpu for gaming and streaming combination. But gaming wise I disagree with there 3000 series CPUs.

Not sure if you've followed what I wrote....

With the 5000 series, AMD will be better than Intel for all gaming scenarios.
With the 3000 Series, AMD almost matched Intel for gaming. The higher the tier you went to, 4k for example, the less of a difference there was. Buying Intel for the sake of a couple of FPS just to say you were on the best gaming chip was a bit daft even then. In every other scenario AMD won and there was never going to be enough of a difference to make any odds for gaming....... save for high refresh where the GPU wasn't the bottle neck (as described above).

The word "Best" is thrown around far too much. Overall AMD have been the "best" for over a year. From the 5000 series it will be an undisputed "best".