Optimus VII 17.3"

n1ghtwish

Bronze Level Poster
Took delivery of this today!

I will update the below over the next few days as I do more stuff with it.

Chassis & Display
Optimus Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 Quad Core Processor 6300HQ (2.3GHz, 3.2GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON SODIMM DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12
1st Hard Disk (SATA)
250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
Ultra Slim 8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
Intel 2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Cinema 2
Wireless/Wired Networking
GIGABIT LAN & KILLER™ 1535-AC M.2 WIRELESS GAMING 802.11AC + BLUETOOTH 4.0

EDIT - Removed 250GB Crucial MX200 M.2 2280 SSD (upto 555MB/sR | 500MB/sW) and replaced with 250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW).
Reason: High temps on the M2 drives, see http://imgur.com/q1tedGI

My current advice is not to get an M2 SSD, mine ran around 20C hotter than my normal Samsung 850 EVO SSD. I would suggest the following:

1st Hard Drive: Standard SSD of 250GB or bigger
2nd Hard Drive: Remove DVD and get another drive bay, and probably at this moment in time opt for 750GB WD Black if you need a 2nd drive.


First impressions...

Chassis

Excellent quality, can imagine it will be a bit of a fingerprint magnet though. Has a bit of a rubberised feel to it, or soft plastic if you will.

Laptop is pretty heavy, you wouldn't want to be moving it around too much. If you need mobility consider the 15" version instead.

The whole thing is very black and understated.

Picture of the laptop:
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The lid closed:
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Keyboard

Full-sized UK keyboard, fits in very nicely with the black theme. It's backlit which is a nice touch. You can change the keyboard backlight strength or disable it entirely.

The keyboard is obviously not as nice to type on as my main mechanical one, but then I would not expect it to be. So far it's working fine.

I have not detected any bend or flex in typing on the keyboard, it feels very sturdy to me. During gaming the right side of the keyboard tends to get a little warm, not to excess mind. The left side remains cool. Which is good as you will mainly be using the left side during gaming for WASD controls.

Closer image of the keyboard/trackpad:
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Touchpad

The touchpad works OK but a mouse is preferred. I wanted the touchpad with the separate left/right click buttons so this fitted the bill. Again fits in with the black theme, very stealth :)

I'd strongly recommend disabling the tap to click function, it fires for me all the time otherwise. In Windows 10 you can do this by going Start > Settings > Devices > Mouse/Touchpad > Additional Mouse Settings (under Related Settings) > Click Settings with the Synapics Touchpad selected > click Tapping section > Uncheck "Enable Tapping".

Sound

Still need to test more sound, but it's OK so far. Goes reasonably loud, not bad speakers, but you'd probably be better off with a decent headset.

Display

This laptop comes with a 17.3" IPS display. The model listed is LGD046C - this is the display specs I believe for anyone interested: http://www.panelook.com/LP173WF4-SPD1_LG Display_17.3_LCM_overview_24463.html

The panel itself is lovely and bright, and has good viewing angles. I'd rate this type of display (IPS) very highly for general windows usage, photographic work etc. I was playing around with the brightness settings but I found around 60% seemed to be the best for me.

The viewing angles are very good:
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IPS panels have the downside of IPS Glow though. More pronounced via the camera, but you can still see it.
IPS Glow is not a panel defect, it's just the nature of all IPS Panels.
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Backlight bleed is also a plague on IPS panels. Mine suffers from it here, especially on the right hand side. Maybe it will improve given time? Not sure.
The camera picks it up better than I can, and some of what you see is IPS glow (moves when you move your head). But the right hand side is definitely BLB.
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Now I don't normally use the laptop with the lights off, so this is less of an issue. I can still notice the BLB on the right on certain images, but it's not too bad. Shame it exists at all though because it's the only thing I can really find wrong with it.

Gaming

This is not a true gaming laptop. 960M is way less powerful than it's 970M/980M brothers (like seriously, a LOT less powerful!), however it's a capable GPU, and it should play less graphically intensive games just fine.

It's a shame you can't get this chassis with the 970M as an option. I'd like to see that, as the rest of the system would be up to the task.

Been playing some EU4 today with it, plays just fine. The GPU appeared to reach 65-70 degrees or so, which is perfectly acceptable. As I eluded to above, the main heat source seems to be somewhere under the right hemisphere of the laptop, the left side remains reasonably cool.

Fan Noise

Putting fans on max they can get a little noisy but not excessive.

During normal net browsing activity they won't even turn on. The laptop will automatically spin them up if you play games or do intensive things.

Battery Life

Reserved. Need to test in more detail.

Am thinking of finding some other laptop reviews and seeing how they measure battery life, may see how this "stacks up".

Inside the Chassis

I had to open her up to switch the hard drive out from the m2 to the normal SATA.

To get the back off I had to remove around 7 screws, and then edge the casing gently up and backwards from the rear of the laptop near the fan exhausts.

The layout seems pretty sensible, you can easily replace the RAM modules or add another, the M2 slot was easily accessible. The battery is bottom left on the picture below and is accessible without even removing the back panel. The hard drive bay (bottom centre) is another couple of screws (back panel must be removed). PCS included a funny metal bracket, I figured out it's for the SATA hard drive in this slot.

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Whilst there I snapped a picture of the RAM module too. This the normal 8GB stick, not the Hyper-X. Spec at the top of this post.

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Temps

Since swapping out the M2 SSD my temps are much better.

The CPU appears to be the hottest running thing for me, these are the temps after about an hour of just general usage:

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I can use this on my laptop no problem, I expect I can probably game on my lap as well for extended time, the fans really do kick the heat back out when they spin up so it won't overheat.

Issues

I think I can sort out the touchpad click thing via Windows settings. EDIT - I fixed this, instructions above under the Keyboard section.

The backlight bleed is usually caused by uneven panel stress with the bezel. I think it could be sorted out by opening up the bezel and loosening a screw or so.

Randomly, upon receiving my laptop with the trial version of Windows, I could not restart the laptop, it would only boot into windows via a cold boot. I disabled UEFI and re-installed my own Windows 10, and it's now working as normal.
 
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Stephen M

Author Level
Nice looking machine and a good review. Re your final point, apart from Microsoft is there anyone who likes UEFI.
 

Stephen M

Author Level
Just one, you can spec the Optimus with two HDDs or SSDs but have to lose the optical drive to fit the second.
 

Bonerhead

Member
Nice! Thanks for the review. I ordered mine last sunday with the following specs:

Chassis & Display Optimus Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™ i7 Quad Core Processor 6700HQ (2.6GHz, 3.5GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM) 8GB KINGSTON SODIMM DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)
Graphics Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12
2nd Graphics Card NONE
Memory - Hard Disk NONE
2nd Hard Disk NONE
mSATA/M.2 SSD Drive 256GB SAMSUNG SM951 M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 2150MB/R, 1260MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive Ultra Slim 8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)
Memory Card Reader Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)
Thermal Paste ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card Intel 2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Cinema 2
Bluetooth & Wireless GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® AC-8260 M.2 (867Mbps, 802.11AC) +BT 4.0, vPRO
Wireless Router/HomePlugs NONE
USB Options 4 x USB 3.0 PORTS AS STANDARD
Battery Optimus Series 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (62.16WH)
Power Lead & Adaptor 1 x European Power Lead & 120W AC Adaptor
Keyboard Language OPTIMUS SERIES BACKLIT USA KEYBOARD WITH NUMBER PAD


Can you tell me something about battery life?
 
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ahmsub

Bronze Level Poster
Congrats. Hope you enjoy it, I had to rma mine, should be back this week I hope. Keyboard backlight not working a couple of other things. Damn long long wait for me.

Have u tested your temps, my gpu was hitting 67degC on idle, tried about 4 different monitors, speccy, hwmonitor, gpu-Z.
Funny thing is all of them stayed at around 37degC until I started GPU-Z, then they slowly started creeping up. Even with a cooling stand.
 

n1ghtwish

Bronze Level Poster
Nice looking machine and a good review. Re your final point, apart from Microsoft is there anyone who likes UEFI.

Thanks Stephen, and nope I don't think there is! :)

Nice laptop. You've got a M.2 as boot. Does that mean you have one or two free 2.5" SATA bays?

Yes as Stephen M says I believe you get one free normal 2.5" slot. I did it like this in case I ever wanted to add a 2nd hard drive I can :)

I'd have probably gone for the Samsung 850 EVO if they had the M2 version of it, seems they don't (only the faster/more expensive SM951).

Nice! Thanks for the review. I ordered mine last sunday with the following specs:

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Can you tell me something about battery life?

Too early to say for sure. So far I probably unboxed and powered it on around 8PM last night, by around 12PM it was needing to be connected to the charger, although I wasn't using it intensively in the intervening period of time.

I'll report back more when I know, but for some light browsing etc I'd imagine it will last long enough to be OK, but suspect that having it plugged in more often will be a better idea.

Congrats. Hope you enjoy it, I had to rma mine, should be back this week I hope. Keyboard backlight not working a couple of other things. Damn long long wait for me.

Have u tested your temps, my gpu was hitting 67degC on idle, tried about 4 different monitors, speccy, hwmonitor, gpu-Z.
Funny thing is all of them stayed at around 37degC until I started GPU-Z, then they slowly started creeping up. Even with a cooling stand.

I'll see if I can do something to report on this. How hot was it getting during games? 67 degrees at load is probably fine and within tolerance I'd imagine.

I remember in an old desktop PC of mine, my AMD GPU would hit like 90 degrees!

One of the reasons I am green team now, the Nvidia GPU's do appear to be handle heat better.
 

ahmsub

Bronze Level Poster
I'll see if I can do something to report on this. How hot was it getting during games? 67 degrees at load is probably fine and within tolerance I'd imagine.

I remember in an old desktop PC of mine, my AMD GPU would hit like 90 degrees!

One of the reasons I am green team now, the Nvidia GPU's do appear to be handle heat better.

Mine was hitting 67degC on IDLE, didn't get a chance to test on games
 

n1ghtwish

Bronze Level Poster
Hmm wonder if loading GPU-Z triggers the 960M to take over instead of the integrated, effectively putting it into load status.

The temps wouldn't rise without activity, so it seems the most likely explanation.

I'll have a play about with mine after work and report back.
 

ahmsub

Bronze Level Poster
Never thought of that, it is of course Optimus tech!

Maybe I speaking too early, but someone else with a 15" Optimus just report similar temps on another post!
 

n1ghtwish

Bronze Level Poster
OK so I have been doing some more testing today.

I do believe that GPU-Z is reporting unreliable stats, I enabled the setting in the Nvidia control panel that showed a notification icon when the onboard or dedicated GPU was on.

With GPU-Z running, this was flipping on/off all the time.

Why? Not sure. However I can surmise that the dedicated GPU is not being used or demanded by applications all the time, so it's not always on, or on 100% anyway. Speedfan can't get any reliable readings unless the dedicated GPU is active either (for me it shows 0 degrees unless I am actively doing something that uses the GPU).

I fired up EU4, played it for about an hour I reckon. Speedfan reported max temp of 74 degrees, the charts showed the average was in the mid 60's or thereabouts.

Is there another application you've used which can read the GPU idle temps?
 

ahmsub

Bronze Level Poster
I just tried the usual Gpu-z, speccy , hwmonitor. Didn't know about setting in nvidia control panel, will check it out... Been a Radeon user for long time.
So, prob nothing to worry about?
 

n1ghtwish

Bronze Level Poster
Hi Ahmsub - I am checking Speccy at the moment, and I honestly think the GPU idle temps are fine here, if you run Speccy and nothing else, I'd hope you see the same. The GPU is sat at 47 degrees permanently which I think is fine. I still suspect that GPU-Z is playing games with the GPU as it's calling for the sytem to bring the dedicated GPU online, offline, online, offline repeat.

However Speccy does report my CPU is 55-56 degress at idle, which does seem like it could be a little high, but I don't have a reference point for this at all though, maybe you can help? Worryingly the SSD itself is saying 58 degrees at more or less idle too.

Can you confirm what sort of temps you get for idle CPU (sorry if I missed it when you said somewhere).

Laptop is silent though unless under load via the GPU.
 

ahmsub

Bronze Level Poster
My laptop currently back at PCS for RMA on keyboard backlight so can't check.

But from memory, when only testing with speccy, my temps were low ... Cpu ~37C Gpu ~37also Hdd ~28(sata drive not ssd), and occasionally speccy showed Mb temp too at ~37.

Apart from Hdd, These temps quickly crept up when Gpu-z was run, but after terminating gpuz it took a long time for temps to come back down. I mentioned this to PCS for the RMA, will let u know what info they come back with
 

n1ghtwish

Bronze Level Poster
I need to see how it is from cold boot later on, but I suspect this high temp issue on my HDD is not normal, every temp monitor said it was critically high lol!
 

jeebus

Active member
58 deg is a bit hot for SSD but temperatures don't really cause SSD to fail anyway - not sure the performance will be markedly effected either
 

n1ghtwish

Bronze Level Poster
No but the laptop gets warm just doing nothing, even if the SSD is happy at 60 degrees, it will heat up other components just being sat there being a source of heat.

I'm not sure if I had an SSD running lower temps if that would still happen or not, but I may change the reg settings over to see if I can lower the idle temps a bit to find out.

This probably wouldn't be an issue in a desktop chassis because it can breathe, but laptop chassis is confined, and the heat has nowhere to go (whilst idle the fans don't remove it either).
 
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finaldj

Active member
My SSD's run at around 36C and 46 C the one running the hottest is the one on the far right side of my optimus 17.3" 860m chassis. the speaker grill does get pretty hot to touch where the HD is sitting but I am guessing this is an airflow problem
 

n1ghtwish

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At cold boot today on full battery, the SSD started life at around 30 degrees, after just leaving it running with only Speccy showing the temps and nothing much else going on, the CPU edges upwards slowly, eventually seeming to level out at around 58C.

At the same time, the CPU was round 50C, the GPU I think was a little over 40C, so the SSD was registering hotter than the CPU and the GPU both.

I may give PCS a call tomorrow and see if they are aware of this, and what I may do to fix it. Replacing with a different manufacturer such as the Kingston may resolve the issue, on the other hand it may not, and the mSATA SSD's may just run hotter. The standard non-SATA SSD's may run cooler natively.

GPU idle temps remain fine so I'm convinced that is not an issue.
 
m.2 SSDs always have a high temperature!
I checked a lot on the internet and found that 70C is the advised limit
but it is easy to get 50+C for idle (different brands have same problem)
this problem appears widely in laptop,because m.2 ssd is small and with no addition fan
 
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