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Either way, the 3060 is more than enough, you won’t use the 3070, it’s not suitable for your system.
The 3070 is a 4k 100hz card.
New build - need advice on some parts
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The 3070 is a 4k 100hz card.
I see, ok thanks I might wait for the October releases then.
Are you able to advise on the comments I made in bold in my original post, regarding pc case, mobo etc?
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I would wait until you’re closer to ordering as there will be new AMD CPU’s, new motherboards, possibly new PSU’s by then.
I totally understand where your coming from but you can’t just tell someone not to buy one if that’s what they think they want/need.
That’s just my view anyway, there will be tons of people buying these cards on release day then putting them straight on eBay anyway which is even worse.
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Our job is to educate people on what they actually need, most people don’t understand the relationship of FPS to HZ, or resolution related to GPU’s. It’s our job to inform them.
Considering a forum is a place for discussion, it is expected that opinions will be given however based on this thread and viewing others it definitely feels like you are driving down on people way to hard even to the point of discomfort.
I do appreciate the help given to me here, I have received advice on both my CPU and GPU, two things I didn’t actually request help on, the questions that I came to ask have remained unanswered.
Perhaps you do feel like it’s your job to tell people what you want them to know but you shouldn’t forget that people come here with their own needs and it’s generally considered nice to help people with what they have expressed a desire to be helped with not just throw your facts at them. From a people point of view offering your own advice while discussing their queries is a positive thing, ignoring their statements and pushing your own stance on something just creates a hostile environment.
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The place we’re coming from is for you guys to get the best bang for your buck. People tend to think that most expensive = betterer in computing, and that’s inherently incorrect. We are passionate about building suitable systems for peoples individual needs, and sometimes that means pressing hard home to get through to fanboys or inexperienced users.
I’d rather come across as hostile if it means swaying someone to getting a better system for their money, in my eyes, that’s job done.
We’re not coming from a sales perspective, and none of us have any connection to PCS. None of us are fanboys, so we’d not biased in that regard. You will get honest advice to get the best system you can afford.
SpyderTracks trying to deter everyone from buying 3080’s so he can Hoover them all up on release day and stick them on eBay. Psh
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Ha ha! Nice attempt. Not sure if that was jest or passive aggressive, but made me giggle either way.
Put it this way, we wouldn’t spend so much time asking for max budget, monitor specs and what you’re planning on using your system for if we were just trying to push the most expensive bit of kit.
My favourite specs to do are the lower budget ones where I’ve got to try and make every penny count for the best performance. Love me a GTX 1650 Super 😁
My favourite specs to do are the lower budget ones where I’ve got to try and make every penny count for the best performance. Love me a GTX 1650 Super 😁
Hi Vic,
I guess the argument around whether or not you should get a 3080 comes down to a bigger question on how you view market scarcity. You can either view it as "I want it and I'm going to try and get it even if I don't really need it, regardless of if that deprives others in greater need" or "I don't need this, I'm going to leave it for others to take". It's a principle that applies to all market scarcity problems (think face masks and hand sanitiser when Coronavirus lockdown first hit, or petrol / diesel during fuel blockades) - this is just one example. Which side you come down on in that divide is ultimately personal choice. Although in this case, as others have pointed out, there's an extra point in that if you don't have a good enough monitor to pair with the 3080 you are literally just wasting your money - and this would be true even if there wasn't a supply scarcity.
On your original bullet points, for cases, you should be fine with most mesh fronted cases. A mesh or otherwise open-fronted one will tend to have better airflow - there are a lot of cases at the moment which prioritise RGB over cooling (e.g. glass fronts), which doesn't sound like what you're interested in, so just make sure to avoid those. Depending on how sensitive you are to the finer points of airflow or noise, it's up to you how much effort you put in to finding the optimal case. I personally recently got a build in a FractalDesign Meshify C, and I know in the past that the FractalDesign Focus G has been strongly recommended as well - both are mesh fronted. You might be able to find reviews of various cases online, although as others have pointed out with the benchmark tests be wary of bias in reviewers.
For fans, I believe PCS generally just supply their case with whatever the default fan arrangement is. Most cases this is one to three front intake fans and one rear outlet fan. Typically there will be additional fan mounting points - again, using my recent build as a reference, I have one intake and one outlet, but there's space for another 5 or 6 fans in my case which I can add in later if I want. I haven't had any need for additional fans yet. This is the reason there's the option in the configurator to add extra fans - although the standard extra fans PCS use are cheap basic ones. I'd suggest picking a good airflow case (mesh fronted) and seeing how it runs with the standard fans. You can then add more in yourself if needed, or it's a fairly quick job for a computer shop to do if you don't want to do it yourself.
Motherboard depends on your processor choice which others have covered.
Pretty sure the RAM difference is just money for lights (although more lights does make you better at games - general consensus is that rainbow effects give the best overall boost, although flashing blue is apparently best for guaranteed headshots
).
For the drives, you've got the sizes backwards. You can select a smaller M.2 drive for Windows etc. and have a big one as the primary storage drive. When you hit "proceed", it prompts you to request that the OS is installed on the smaller M.2 - so don't worry too much about the labeling of "primary" storage drive etc. I'm not sure on the details of the various manufacturers in terms of reliability etc.
Power supply should be fine according to NVidia requirements for the 3080. Whether you want extra headroom or not is personal choice. I believe you can also input the RTX 3080 graphics card into your build at present, and the PCS site will tell you when you hit "proceed" if the PSU selected is adequate.
Processor cooler is dependent on the processor selected (see above re. Ryzen processors). Air cooling vs liquid (AiO here) cooling is a bigger question - generally I'd suggest air cooling over liquid cooling, as a good air cooler will usually give equivalent performance for a lower price point and with less risk of catastrophic failure compared to liquid coolers.
I guess the argument around whether or not you should get a 3080 comes down to a bigger question on how you view market scarcity. You can either view it as "I want it and I'm going to try and get it even if I don't really need it, regardless of if that deprives others in greater need" or "I don't need this, I'm going to leave it for others to take". It's a principle that applies to all market scarcity problems (think face masks and hand sanitiser when Coronavirus lockdown first hit, or petrol / diesel during fuel blockades) - this is just one example. Which side you come down on in that divide is ultimately personal choice. Although in this case, as others have pointed out, there's an extra point in that if you don't have a good enough monitor to pair with the 3080 you are literally just wasting your money - and this would be true even if there wasn't a supply scarcity.
On your original bullet points, for cases, you should be fine with most mesh fronted cases. A mesh or otherwise open-fronted one will tend to have better airflow - there are a lot of cases at the moment which prioritise RGB over cooling (e.g. glass fronts), which doesn't sound like what you're interested in, so just make sure to avoid those. Depending on how sensitive you are to the finer points of airflow or noise, it's up to you how much effort you put in to finding the optimal case. I personally recently got a build in a FractalDesign Meshify C, and I know in the past that the FractalDesign Focus G has been strongly recommended as well - both are mesh fronted. You might be able to find reviews of various cases online, although as others have pointed out with the benchmark tests be wary of bias in reviewers.
For fans, I believe PCS generally just supply their case with whatever the default fan arrangement is. Most cases this is one to three front intake fans and one rear outlet fan. Typically there will be additional fan mounting points - again, using my recent build as a reference, I have one intake and one outlet, but there's space for another 5 or 6 fans in my case which I can add in later if I want. I haven't had any need for additional fans yet. This is the reason there's the option in the configurator to add extra fans - although the standard extra fans PCS use are cheap basic ones. I'd suggest picking a good airflow case (mesh fronted) and seeing how it runs with the standard fans. You can then add more in yourself if needed, or it's a fairly quick job for a computer shop to do if you don't want to do it yourself.
Motherboard depends on your processor choice which others have covered.
Pretty sure the RAM difference is just money for lights (although more lights does make you better at games - general consensus is that rainbow effects give the best overall boost, although flashing blue is apparently best for guaranteed headshots
).For the drives, you've got the sizes backwards. You can select a smaller M.2 drive for Windows etc. and have a big one as the primary storage drive. When you hit "proceed", it prompts you to request that the OS is installed on the smaller M.2 - so don't worry too much about the labeling of "primary" storage drive etc. I'm not sure on the details of the various manufacturers in terms of reliability etc.
Power supply should be fine according to NVidia requirements for the 3080. Whether you want extra headroom or not is personal choice. I believe you can also input the RTX 3080 graphics card into your build at present, and the PCS site will tell you when you hit "proceed" if the PSU selected is adequate.
Processor cooler is dependent on the processor selected (see above re. Ryzen processors). Air cooling vs liquid (AiO here) cooling is a bigger question - generally I'd suggest air cooling over liquid cooling, as a good air cooler will usually give equivalent performance for a lower price point and with less risk of catastrophic failure compared to liquid coolers.
He’s already promised me first dibs on one 😛
I can appreciate your position in this thread because up until recently I had it in my mind that I should buy the best GPU I could afford pretty much regardless. That seemed logical enough, however the more I read the more I'm learning that such a GPU can easily be bottlenecked (by the monitor for instance) resulting in no discernable difference over a cheaper GPU.
Whatever you choose to go for is obviously your decision, but I think the advice you're getting in this thread (even if for components you didn't ask for advice on) is sound.
Have you ever heard the ancient proverb "Heed the advice of he who looks to save you money, for he is truly a friend and has your best interests at heart"? Of course you haven't because I just made it up 😆 but maybe it applies here.