Ivy or Sandy

[mantadog]

i would think the same as Rakk. If the 's' variants are the same as the sandy 's' variants they will be underclocked versions designed for low power useage, they also produce less heat so the fans arn't so loud. They also have even lower power variants which i think they are 'T' variants.

You want to get the 3370 for most users or the 3770k if you plan to overclock. The 's' variant is charging you the same money for a slower chip, so it's a bit of a scam.

 

[ellspeedy]

You want to get the 3370 for most users or the 3770k if you plan to overclock.

Assume you mean 3770 for most users

 

[richag]

Anyone any news on when the IVY Bridge components will be available?

 

[Buzz]

ivy-bridge

April 29th / 3rd June and xmas for the rest

 

[Yevad]

I apologize in advance due to my lack of understanding, but I will post my question anyway.

Does this apply to Desktop PC or is it also relevant to laptops. I was thinking about ordering either a Vortex II/III or Skyfire (when back in stock) over the next couple of days. Should I wait to see what is released with the Ivy Bridge for laptops , or just go with my order for a laptop now?

 

[ellspeedy]

If you can wait a few days then wait, thats what im doing

 

[dangro474]

Ivy vs Sandy all depends on your requirements.

I currently own an i7 950 and as I mainly game and judging by these benchmarks I will most likely skip the socket 1155 Ivy Bridge processors due and wait for Ivy Bridge Extreme in 2013.

 

[Buzz]

Ivy Bridge processors will be announced in the 4th week of April, between April 22 and April 28. The announcement will include only quad-core models: mobile Core i7 and Core i7 Extreme families, desktop Core i7, Core i5-3570K, i5-3570T, i5-3550, i5-3550S, i5-3450 and i5-3450S. The announced chips will be available for sale on April 29, and the reviews and benchmarks should be published on the same day. Specifications and prices of these processors are provided below:


Model Cores Market Threads Frequency Turbo
Frequency L3 cache Graphics TDP Price
Core i5-3450 Desktop 4 4 3.1 GHz 3.5 GHz 6 MB HD 2500 77 Watt $184
Core i5-3550 Desktop 4 4 3.3 GHz 3.7 GHz 6 MB HD 2500 77 Watt $205
Core i5-3550S Desktop 4 4 3 GHz 3.7 GHz 6 MB HD 2500 65 Watt $205
Core i5-3570K Desktop 4 4 3.4 GHz 3.8 GHz 6 MB HD 4000 77 Watt $225
Core i5-3570T Desktop 4 4 2.3 GHz 3.3 GHz 6 MB HD 2500 45 Watt $205
Core i7-3770 Desktop 4 8 3.4 GHz 3.9 GHz 8 MB HD 4000 77 Watt $294
Core i7-3770K Desktop 4 8 3.5 GHz 3.9 GHz 8 MB HD 4000 77 Watt $332
Core i7-3770S Desktop 4 8 3.1 GHz 3.9 GHz 8 MB HD 4000 65 Watt $294
Core i7-3770T Desktop 4 8 2.5 GHz 3.7 GHz 8 MB HD 4000 45 Watt $294
Core i7-3720QM Mobile 4 8 2.6 GHz 3.6 GHz 6 MB HD 4000 45 Watt $378
Core i7-3820QM Mobile 4 8 2.7 GHz 3.7 GHz 8 MB HD 4000 45 Watt $568
Core i7-3920XM Mobile 4 8 2.9 GHz 3.8 GHz 8 MB HD 4000 55 Watt $1096

Core i5-3570, i5-3570S, i5-3475S, i5-3470, i5-3470S and i5-3470T desktop CPUs, and Core i5 dual-core mobile microprocessors will be introduced on June 3rd.
Product announcement could happen before or after that date. Below is the full list of third generation Core-branded processors, that we will be available on June 3:

Model Market Cores Threads Frequency Turbo
Frequency L3 cache Graphics TDP Price
Core i5-3470 Desktop 4 4 3.2 GHz 3.6 GHz 6 MB HD 2500 77 Watt
Core i5-3470S Desktop 4 4 2.9 GHz 3.6 GHz 6 MB HD 2500 65 Watt
Core i5-3470T Desktop 2 4 2.8 GHz 3.5 GHz 6 MB HD 2500 35 Watt $184
Core i5-3475S Desktop 4 4 2.9 GHz 3.6 GHz 6 MB HD 4000 65 Watt
Core i5-3570 Desktop 4 4 3.4 GHz 3.8 GHz 6 MB HD 2500 77 Watt
Core i5-3570S Desktop 4 4 3.1 GHz 3.8 GHz 6 MB HD 2500 65 Watt
Core i5-3320M Mobile 2 4 2.6 GHz 3.3 GHz 3 MB HD 4000 35 Watt
Core i5-3320M Mobile 2 4 2.6 GHz 3.3 GHz 3 MB HD 4000 35 Watt
Core i5-3360M Mobile 2 4 2.8 GHz 3.5 GHz 3 MB HD 4000 35 Watt
Core i5-3360M Mobile 2 4 2.8 GHz 3.5 GHz 3 MB HD 4000 35 Watt
Core i5-3427U Mobile 2 4 1.8 GHz 2.8 GHz 3 MB HD 4000 17 Watt
Core i7-3520M Mobile 2 4 2.9 GHz 3.6 GHz 4 MB HD 4000 35 Watt
Core i7-3520M Mobile 2 4 2.9 GHz 3.6 GHz 4 MB HD 4000 35 Watt
Core i7-3667U Mobile 2 4 2 GHz 3.2 GHz 4 MB HD 4000 17 Watt


Core i3 desktop Ivy Bridge parts will be introduced in the third quarter 2012. There was a rumor that Core i3 mobile lineup will not be transitioned to Ivy Bridge. We believe that Core i3 mobiles will be released after all. VR-Zone previously disclosed details on Core i3-3217U ULV SKU, and there will be at least one Core i3 mobile 35W CPU. Mobile chips from i3 family will also launch in the third quarter. Incomplete list of upcoming Core i3 models you will find below:

Model Market Cores Threads Frequency Turbo
Frequency L3 cache Graphics TDP
Core i3-3220 Desktop 2 4 3.3 GHz N/A 3 MB HD 2500 55 Watt
Core i3-3220T Desktop 2 4 2.8 GHz N/A 3 MB HD 2500 35 Watt
Core i3-3225 Desktop 2 4 3.3 GHz N/A 3 MB HD 4000 55 Watt
Core i3-3240 Desktop 2 4 3.4 GHz N/A 3 MB HD 2500 55 Watt
Core i3-3240T Desktop 2 4 3 GHz N/A 3 MB HD 2500 35 Watt
Core i3-3217U Mobile 2 4 1.8 GHz N/A 3 MB HD 4000 17 Watt

 

[Raptor]

There's a lot of negative feedback from the 1st gen ivy bridge..
by the looks of it stick with sandy bridge ESPECIALY IF YOU WANT TO OVER CLOCK
IVY BRIDGE HEAT UP DRASTICALLY WHEN OVERCLOCKED

 

[Raptor]

Literally the ONLY difference between IVY and SANDY now is the fact IVY IS SMALLER...
Intel began increasing the TDP of ivy ... to match sandy... and the fact it's a smaller architecture and a stronger performance by 5% - 15%
But since it's smaller... and stronger... and use the same voltage... it'll heat up more
There are already images of
Core i7 3770k and Core i5 3570k with 95W
Portugal already has the ivy bridge... so by the time ivy bridge will be world wide the voltages will be upped on every single chip to a normal sandy bridge

 

[Kimikus]

What if you don't plan to overclock the processor? I am planning to order a Vortex III mainly for gaming (waiting for IB) but have no intention on overclocking anything. I am very temperature concious as I have had multiple computers fail in the past because of this. If I don't plan on overclocking would the processor be ok for gaming (as far as temperature and longevity is concerned) or should I go on the safe side and get a sandy (2670)? Thanks.

 

[ellspeedy]

Im in the same sitaution, looking to order Skyfire II in next few days (possible even today) and would like to know whether i should wait for IB.
Same as you kimikus, no overclocking and main use being gaming.

 

[Buzz]

Overclocking is not needed. Either a computer can run games or it cant. Yes computers can be overclocked to run games maybe better or faster or whatever, but it will NEVER be asked from a computer seller that overclocking will be needed to use it in the running of a game.

When using a computer/laptop for gaming, different things come into play.

What processor are you using
The Operating system
How much Ram you have
What kind of GPU you are using.

Below is a Guide using Crysis 2 system requirements as a guideline. Different games have different Minimum requirements, but going on my opinion and experience running game, for the most part of them, both above mentioned systems would run the majority of games out at the moment. Hope this helps you both.

Minimum requirements	Recommended Requirements	15.6" Vortex III	Skyfire II
Core 2 Duo E4400 2.0GHz	Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz	Dual Core Mobile Processor i3-2350M 2.30GHZ 3MB (MIN Option)	Dual Core Processor B840 1.90 GHz (MIN Option)
Win Xp 32	Win 7 64bit	Win 7 (MIN Option bar NONE)	Win 7 (MIN Option bar NONE)
2Gig Ram	4Gig Ram	2Gig (MIN Option)	2Gig (MIN Option)
GeForce 8800 GS	GeForce GTX 280	nVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 675M - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 11 (Only Option)	nVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 670M - 1.5GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 11 (Only Option)

 

[Buzz]

i5-3570t

 

[Raptor]

What if you don't plan to overclock the processor? I am planning to order a Vortex III mainly for gaming (waiting for IB) but have no intention on overclocking anything. I am very temperature concious as I have had multiple computers fail in the past because of this. If I don't plan on overclocking would the processor be ok for gaming (as far as temperature and longevity is concerned) or should I go on the safe side and get a sandy (2670)? Thanks.

As i was saying..
The TDP and Watts are the same as Sandy bridge..
but in a SMALLER architecture with a 10% - 15% increased performance... so it should still theoretically produce more heat...

 

[---]

Think its worth delaying my Vortex III purchase till Monday then?

 

[Kimikus]

As i was saying..
The TDP and Watts are the same as Sandy bridge..
but in a SMALLER architecture with a 10% - 15% increased performance... so it should still theoretically produce more heat...

Do you know if there are any data out there which gives a quantitative idea of how much hotter it gets? I just would like to know if the extra heat produced is enough to be an issue (to the point of sandy being considered) or if it's just a minor detail that doesn't really matter. (Edit: again, this is with no overclocking . I did a bit of googling and basically the consensus seems to be that 'out of the box' IB >SB and temperature issues are negligible, the problem only arises when overclocking is involved...)

 

[Buzz]

asrock_z77_extreme6_intel_z77_with_ivy_bridge_motherboard_review

Have a read of this.

Ivy from all i have read is power hungry and will run hotter. Overclocking it without good cooling is going to be tough. I still think your better of sticking with a good known CPU and overclock that. Let all the GURUs out there get the Ivy for now and test it and find the best cooling solution. Till then I'm happy with my i7 2700k

 

[Mr_D]

Hi I ordered a pc however with the new Intel stuff coming out soon, should i cancel the order and get it cheaper after that comes out or is it too late?

 

[tom_gr7]

Hi I ordered a pc however with the new Intel stuff coming out soon, should i cancel the order and get it cheaper after that comes out or is it too late?

well that decision is up to you, personally I wouldn't worry.

edit - unless its the same price, then i'd up to ivy.