Is this spec a quiet PC?

I am thinking about this spec.
I want to have the PC as quiet as possible.
Is there anything that I should consider to make this as quiet as possible?


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ThyThy

Active member
Hello,
First, avoid Intel i7/i9 13th-14th gen, as they have issues and are hard to cool so not a good choice for a quiet PC.
What will be the purpose of the PC ?
Max budget ?
Monitor resolution and refresh rate you will use with it ?
 
Thanks for the quick reply.

I mostly use this for:
1) programming, including using virtual devices.
2) video rendering

I use it for a regular 60 Hz monitor (DP and HDMI)

I don't want to go much over this budget (this comes to £1500 including vat).
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Thanks for the quick reply.

I mostly use this for:
1) programming, including using virtual devices.
2) video rendering

I use it for a regular 60 Hz monitor (DP and HDMI)

I don't want to go much over this budget (this comes to £1500 including vat).

You're not going to get a performance machine that's quiet for that budget unfortunately. Pricing has gone sky high since Covid times. You can get a build for £1500, and you can even get a quiet build for £1500, but it's not going to be a top performer for rendering.

There are a number of glaring issues with the build as you have configured it as well. 3600Mhz DDR5 RAM will massively under perform. The standard is 6000mhz which is effectively double the throughput of what you have selected.
 
I currently use a laptop which is almost okay. It is quite, but slightly too slow and has bit too memory (12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1255U with 32 MB and basic intel graphics).

The good think of the laptop is that it is quiet. I just want something slightly more powerful with a reasonable graphics chip (like the Radeon). I choose quiet PC over performance and would like to stay below £1500.

It is often the fan that causes all the noise. What should I do here. Is it even possible? There is a company called https://quietpc.co.uk , does anyone recommend them instead? Or is it possible to get a quiet PC from PCspecialist as well? If so, I 'd prefer PCspecialist because I have bought from PCspecialist many times before.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
This fits the requirements of being quiet and more powerful than a laptop. The AMD cards tend not to be as good for software utilisation outside of gaming, Nvidia are typically far better with a far higher CUDA core count for rendering etc, the budget wasn't there for an equivalent or recommended Nvidia GPU.

Case
FRACTAL DEFINE 7 BLACK QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-5.3GHz/40MB CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 6600 - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
Graphics Card Support Bracket
NONE (BRACKET INCLUDED AS STANDARD ON 4070 Ti / RX 7700 XT AND ABOVE)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 2950MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMe SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H115i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 6 working days
Price: £1,483.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/UauzV6pvrK/
 

TonyCarter

VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
You did better than me. The closest I can get, with decent components, storage & performance is almost £1800...and I only put the RTX3060 in there because it's better for video editing/rendering/effects that can utilise GPU acceleration than the 6600 (by quite a way).

Case
CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 12 Core CPU (4.7GHz-5.6GHz/76MB CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
64GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 32GB)
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP, LHR
Graphics Card Support Bracket
NONE (BRACKET INCLUDED AS STANDARD ON 4070 Ti / RX 7700 XT AND ABOVE)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 6500MB/sW)
1st Storage Drive
8TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 5400RPM, 256MB CACHE
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMe SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H115i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 6 working days
Price: £1,785.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/XSBfxc!vaj/
 

FigmentOfYourImagination

Gold Level Poster
To be fair, all of that difference was mostly Scott dropping the RAM from 64GB to 32GB and removing the 8TB storage drive...add them in to his build and it comes to £1736
 
Hi, okay, thanks, I want the AMD video processor because AMD is better supported on Linux.

In terms of processor cooling, what is the best (quiet) solution? Sometimes you see these enormous heatsinks in some PCs, which seem to help?

Is the AMD Ryzen better in terms of sound proofing?
 

TonyCarter

VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
Hi, okay, thanks, I want the AMD video processor because AMD is better supported on Linux.

In terms of processor cooling, what is the best (quiet) solution? Sometimes you see these enormous heatsinks in some PCs, which seem to help?

Is the AMD Ryzen better in terms of sound proofing?
Pity about the Linux GPU support, but it would also depend if the apps you use took advantage of Nvidia cores over AMD cores anyway.

The AMD CPUs are much more efficient, so run cooler and thus require a less beefy cooler.

A good air cooler would be fine on the lower end 7000/9000 AMD CPUs, but PCS don't offer any of those so we suggest a 240MM (H100i) liquid cooler instead...which can be set to run almost silently whilst keeping the temps low.
 
Thanks, that is helpful. Interesting about AMD vs Intel chips. My laptop with the (mobile) i7 is super quiet though. At work I have a Dell PC with an Intel processor which is also fairly quiet. In the past, all my PC Specialist PCs were actually much louder. I also recently tried a HP Envy workstation with an Intel i9 and a Nvidia card, and it was really loud. So I want to make sure to get this right before ordering a custom built PC.
 

FigmentOfYourImagination

Gold Level Poster
Thanks, that is helpful. Interesting about AMD vs Intel chips. My laptop with the (mobile) i7 is super quiet though. At work I have a Dell PC with an Intel processor which is also fairly quiet. In the past, all my PC Specialist PCs were actually much louder. I also recently tried a HP Envy workstation with an Intel i9 and a Nvidia card, and it was really loud. So I want to make sure to get this right before ordering a custom built PC.

The Define 7 that Scott recommended is one of the quitest cases around. From a review of the Define 7 (not the quiet version):

"We took sound level readings with two off-the-shelf dB meters from two different angles. Thanks to the thick sound deadening material and the tempered-glass side panel, the Define 7 registered barely 28dB at idle and 30dB under load. These are some of the best numbers we've seen to date from any chassis"

Define 7 review

Given the quiet version that PCS uses doesn't have the glass side panel, it should be quieter

GamersNexus also had this to say about the "non-quiet" version:

"Standardized thermal testing puts the Define 7 at a natural disadvantage, because it’s one of the only cases we’ve worked with that runs as quietly as it does; in fact, the Define 7 is below our 36dBA normalized threshold for noise testing, plotting instead at 34.6dBA, and that’s with its included fans at maximum speed"

GamersNexus Review

However, it's not guaranteed as lot depends on the components inside the case plus some people are naturally more sensitive to noise.
 
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They also have the "Be Quiet" brand. I wonder which of the two is better, the "Be Quiet" or the "Define 7"? Does anyone have experience with either of these two cases?
 

FigmentOfYourImagination

Gold Level Poster
This review of the only BQ case PCS stocks (the Shadowbase 800) has it running at 34 decibels on idle (whereas they rated the D7 at 28 and that's the non-quiet one):

Shadowbase 800 Review

Outside of that, you always have the option to source your own case and send it in. The BQ Pure Base 600 is very quiet but it isn't a large case so you'd need to make sure everything fits:

Pure Base 600 review

Personally, if I was looking for a quiet case, I'd probably opt for the D7. Whilst I have no experience of quiet cases, I used to have the Fractal's budget case (the original Focus G) and, with the fan profile set to silent, I could barely hear it less than 2 feet away and that case was not a "quiet" case
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
I would opt for the Define 7 as selected above. It's an excellent case and the sound proofing is really good. It really needs paired with an AIO to get the performance from the airflow, but everything in the suggested builds is well matched.

The H115i is the quietest of the AIO range, I had it personally and it's genuinely whisper quiet. It won't be pushed hard at all keeping the CPU cool so you will barely even know the system is on. The only thing that will generate noise will be the GPU, which is unavoidable.
 
Based on all the feedback, I am almost ready with my PC selection for running Linux. I use my PC mostly for programming and video editing. For the programming, I need to run virtual devices, which take quite a bit of memory and computer power. I choose AMD because that works best for Linux and I do not need a top of the range video processor, but I like a good processor, can anyone advice what they think?

Here are my questions

1. What I do not understand is how to choose the "thermal paste". Is more expensive better? Would a better thermal paste reduce overheating and noise production?

2. Also, I selected the PCS FrostFlow 150 Series High Performance CPU Cooler. But does this make sense? Does a bigger one make more or less noise? I though, the bigger they are, the more of a heatsink they form, is that correct?

3. Is the Processor good enough for programming and video editing. My understanding is that this processor is energy efficient and hopefully quiet when it is not under heavy load (which it is not all the time, for example, when I am only reading my email).

I have the follow specification below as a screenshot:

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SpyderTracks

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1. What I do not understand is how to choose the "thermal paste". Is more expensive better? Would a better thermal paste reduce overheating and noise production?
Thermal paste varies greatly between manufacturers on the materials used, and the nano granularity of the active ingredients, but obviously all that comes at a cost. Better paste reduces temps further by a margin, perhaps one or two degrees (assuming you have a compatible cooler), this also ties into number 2

2. Also, I selected the PCS FrostFlow 150 Series High Performance CPU Cooler. But does this make sense? Does a bigger one make more or less noise? I though, the bigger they are, the more of a heatsink they form, is that correct?
As already advised unfortunately PCS don't currently offer premium air coolers, it wouldn't be suitable for your configuration and you'd get thermal throttling and therefor, not the full capabilities of the CPU as a result as well as significantly increased noise, this is even more important in that specific case as it's audibly damped, it has substantially reduced airflow and isn't suitable for air cooling anyway. Tying into number 1, the previously suggested cooler comes pre applied with high quality paste already which is why that wasn't suggested.

3. Is the Processor good enough for programming and video editing. My understanding is that this processor is energy efficient and hopefully quiet when it is not under heavy load (which it is not all the time, for example, when I am only reading my email).
The 7900 is a very efficient processor, it's exactly the same silicon as the 7900X, just optimised and power limited, but you don't lose much performance as a result (maybe 7% under all core workloads), but even then, you can simply apply an auto PBO overclock in the BIOS (simply toggling on one option) and you'd have exactly the same performance as the 7900X. It's a great processor.
 
Okay, I get what you mean, so this case is best for liquid coolers. I read somewhere that liquid coolers break more easily. I had a liquid cooled PC from PCSpecialist a few years ago and it failed after a year of working and the harddisks were ruined which costs thousands to fix. So I am cautious. Also that PC was loud. I think I am happy with aircooling, just need to get the best option. After your message, now I am not sure of the case even -- I take it that a sound-proofed case is not ideal for air cooling (why do they sell them then, it does not say that on Fractal's website to the best of my knowledge, but I might have missed that).
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
I read somewhere that liquid coolers break more easily.
There's premium, and budget, you definitely get what you pay for, but assuming premium, they rarely break these days, 10 years ago when they were new, leaks were fairly common, leaks just don't happen anymore and haven't for years. Pump failures do sometimes happen, but again it's very rare. You have to be careful that you put what you read online in context with time frame, and the specific AIO it's talking about. You also need to be sure you're not confusing an AIO with a watercooled build as they're not even remotely similar. My last system had an H100i in it and was on 24/7 for 10 years. My new one has an H150i, but for noise the larger 140mm fans on the H115i are a better option as they need lower rpm for equivalent airflow

I had a liquid cooled PC from PCSpecialist a few years ago and it failed after a year of working and the harddisks were ruined which costs thousands to fix.
That couldn't have been a Corsair then, must have been some cheap one, or I think you may be getting confused with a custom loop which is an entirely different thing. Corsair coolers don't have liquid in them, they have non-conductive coolant, so even if it was to leak, it wouldn't cause any damage. There's also very little coolant in there anyway, enough to make a tiny puddle, but certainly not any issue.

Open loops or custom water-cooling is an entirely different thing, and completely pointless anyway for most uses these days with how effective AIO's have become. An AIO is a fully closed and sealed unit, needs no maintenance at all.

I think I am happy with aircooling, just need to get the best option.
Then you'd need a much lower processor if you wanted a PCS build, anything above really a 7700 just can't be cooled by air, even a premium cooler. Or you could just fit a basic cooler and then source your own premium cooler like an NH-D15 which if you want quiet running is really the only choice IMHO

I take it that a sound-proofed case is not ideal for air cooling (why do they sell them then, it does not say that on Fractal's website to the best of my knowledge, but I might have missed that).
Urm, because you use an AIO as intended, air cooling is rarely used these days as it's just not effective for anything but entry level processors. Air coolers are also far more noisy than an AIO, unless you're talking something extremely high end like a noctua, but those cost pretty much the same as an AIO anyway.

But I suspect you’re unfairly judging AIOs based on experience with an open loop system in which case they’re completely different things anyway.
 
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Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Okay, I get what you mean, so this case is best for liquid coolers. I read somewhere that liquid coolers break more easily. I had a liquid cooled PC from PCSpecialist a few years ago and it failed after a year of working and the harddisks were ruined which costs thousands to fix. So I am cautious. Also that PC was loud. I think I am happy with aircooling, just need to get the best option. After your message, now I am not sure of the case even -- I take it that a sound-proofed case is not ideal for air cooling (why do they sell them then, it does not say that on Fractal's website to the best of my knowledge, but I might have missed that).

We wouldn't steer you wrong. We will always give reasoning behind selection choices and background to how we come about them. As above, it's hard to argue against "I read somewhere" or "someone said" as you will find whatever information you want, rather than what actually fits a particular reality.

We can only advise though. If your AIO broke the last time I can only guess it wasn't from following advice on here as none of the coolers I've recommended have ever leaked in the history of me being on this forum. In fact, the entire time I've been here not even the cheaper coolers have been reported to leak. The one cooler I remember reading about from years ago was a Coolermaster 240 (non lite). The product was quickly discontinued and replaced with the 240 lite, which was a solid AIO and sold on this very forum for years.

As @SpyderTracks says above, we're years away from when AIOs were failing (decent ones at least, as said you get what you pay for). He states 10 years but I think we've both been stating 10 years for going on at least 5 years now so I would say closer to 15. I've certainly been running Corsair AIOs for at least 15 years. My very first one is still going in my fathers system, which is still on 24/7.
 
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