Help with new PC specs.

[jamiephillips909]

would not hurt to go for the I series of corsair aio coolers comes with icue software which is very handy to set fan curves and monitor the 5800x as it can be a toasty cpu could be a argument to go for a x570 motherboard better vrms etc but been working nights and can barely remember what a x570 board is also a 3060ti may be better suited to 1440p 144hz if money was no object a 3070 would be the ideal card but 3060ti will get you above the 60hz

 

[DarTon]

Honestly if a major aim is to make TW: Attila run smoothly then you may well be disappointed. TW: Attila uses the 32-bit version of the Warscape engine. I'd be careful using Troy as a comparable because that can use the 64-bit version and has been optimized far better (like Thrones of Brittania was).

The 3060 will look ok on the benchmark test. Once, however, you get into a real multiple stack type battle with all units engaged, the frame rate will often crater. I've got a 3070, and in ToB at 1440p it happily averages 150 fps on High settings and 110 at Ultra. Try that with Attila and it looks just as good ... and then it drops to 20 fps. It's just a bit of an unoptimized mess. Gettting Attila to run smoothly is as much about tinkering with the settings than which GPU you have. Check out Twcentre or Totalwar.org for some ways to improve fps.

 

[Ric119]

Honestly if a major aim is to make TW: Attila run smoothly then you may well be disappointed. TW: Attila uses the 32-bit version of the Warscape engine. I'd be careful using Troy as a comparable because that can use the 64-bit version and has been optimized far better (like Thrones of Brittania was).

The 3060 will look ok on the benchmark test. Once, however, you get into a real multiple stack type battle with all units engaged, the frame rate will often crater. I've got a 3070, and in ToB at 1440p it happily averages 150 fps on High settings and 110 at Ultra. Try that with Attila and it looks just as good ... and then it drops to 20 fps. It's just a bit of an unoptimized mess. Gettting Attila to run smoothly is as much about tinkering with the settings than which GPU you have. Check out Twcentre or Totalwar.org for some ways to improve fps.

Well my current Laptop is an MSI GE72 6QD Apache Pro, so it's older than Atilla and I need a huge upgrade, but I already know how bad Atilla is, still I want to be able to try and play Rise of Mordor mod when it's out, and Warhammer 3 on VH or Ultra settings, with some future proofing so I can stay at High setting for the next 4 to 5 years.

 

[DarTon]

From a TW perspective, the problem is that the ideal sort of build is about 10% more than your budget; sort of like this.

Case
CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.7GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3500MB/sR | 2500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Processor Cooling
Corsair H115i RGB PRO XT Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Price: £1,973.00 including VAT and Delivery
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The question is then what you cut. For longevity/ease of upgrade, going for a higher end CPU, Mobo and cooler and scaling the GPU back to a 3060 is probably the right thing to do.

I just feel that a 3060 will struggle at 1440p if you want high refresh going forward. Even on TW: TK (probably the best baseline we have for TW:WH3) a 3060 provides only 65 fps at High settings. Of course, we might be surprised and find that CA provides a well optimized engine/DLSS/FSR etc. I'm a bit skeptical since as a TW modder for 20 years, I still think they peaked as a company in about 2006!

 

[Ric119]

From a TW perspective, the problem is that the ideal sort of build is about 10% more than your budget; sort of like this.

Case
CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.7GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3500MB/sR | 2500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Processor Cooling
Corsair H115i RGB PRO XT Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Price: £1,973.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/Mf8tHyhJEv/

The question is then what you cut. For longevity/ease of upgrade, going for a higher end CPU, Mobo and cooler and scaling the GPU back to a 3060 is probably the right thing to do.

I just feel that a 3060 will struggle at 1440p if you want high refresh going forward. Even on TW: TK (probably the best baseline we have for TW:WH3) a 3060 provides only 65 fps at High settings. Of course, we might be surprised and find that CA provides a well optimized engine/DLSS/FSR etc. I'm a bit skeptical since as a TW modder for 20 years, I still think they peaked as a company in about 2006!

Well you also have to remember my current hardware runs Warhammer two on medium ish setting at something like 20 to 30 fps, which is what I'm used to for pretty much all PC games, an upgrade to a steady 60fps for this next 5 to 6 years on high settings would be mind blowing for me and that's not a joke 😅

Not looking for the best super rig, but one that'll do me that sort of upgrade nicely and will last me a while with options to upgrade moving forward, I'm still only just managing (barely) to get 1080p to look decent.

 

[DarTon]

Well I think then that a 3060 might be the way to go. You'll get decent 1080p and tolerable 1440p. That would drop the price on the config I specced to £1,823. That gives you the ideal Mobo for the 5800X and a great cooler.

If you really want to slice off a bit more, then you've got a few options: mobo to B550, drop PSU to RMx 750W, drop 980 Pro to Firecuda. None are are a disaster but all compormise to some extent. I'd probably just drop the HDD since it's dead easy to add back later but storage needs are quite personal. The bit I wouldn't touch is the cooler. I've experienced both in different builds and the H115i is far better/quieter.

One other point on the case. I have a 4000D and like it. Nonetheless, it only has two front ports and one of them is USB-C. The B550 boards and even the TUF X570 don't have a USB-C front-header so that port will not function. I have a STRIX X570 which does have a header. So if that matters to you, change the case to say the Lancool 215 or whatever your preference.

 

[Ric119]

Well I think then that a 3060 might be the way to go. You'll get decent 1080p and tolerable 1440p. That would drop the price on the config I specced to £1,823. That gives you the ideal Mobo for the 5800X and a great cooler.

If you really want to slice off a bit more, then you've got a few options: mobo to B550, drop PSU to RMx 750W, drop 980 Pro to Firecuda. None are are a disaster but all compormise to some extent. I'd probably just drop the HDD since it's dead easy to add back later but storage needs are quite personal. The bit I wouldn't touch is the cooler. I've experienced both in different builds and the H115i is far better/quieter.

One other point on the case. I have a 4000D and like it. Nonetheless, it only has two front ports and one of them is USB-C. The B550 boards and even the TUF X570 don't have a USB-C front-header so that port will not function. I have a STRIX X570 which does have a header. So if that matters to you, change the case to say the Lancool 215 or whatever your preference.

Thankyou so much for your help, I'll look at a better case and just stick with the 3060 card, reckon I should still get the 144hz and 1440p monitor or go with a 1080p?

 

[DarTon]

Depends on the size of monitor. 1080p on a 23-24" is absolutely fine but starts to look pretty grainy on a 27". I also tend to play mods on TW with larger texture packs so that again favours higher res.

Where I'm happier to compromise is on some of the settings. I find it hard to see much difference between Ultra and High and there are some other options that dialling down can reap large amount of extra frame rates. Plus I've never been able to differentiate between 120Hz and say 165Hz. I even find that on TW games a rock solid G-SYNC 60 fps is just often fine. But then, for me, graphics are 20% of the game, so that extra 5-10% in frames and detail is only really 1-2% of the total experience.

This is all a personal choice. It's part of the flexibility of PC gaming vs. consoles. I'd always vote for 1440p but a rock solid 1080p experience may well be such an improvement that you can leave 1440p for an eventual GPU upgrade.

 

[Ric119]

Depends on the size of monitor. 1080p on a 23-24" is absolutely fine but starts to look pretty grainy on a 27". I also tend to play mods on TW with larger texture packs so that again favours higher res.

Where I'm happier to compromise is on some of the settings. I find it hard to see much difference between Ultra and High and there are some other options that dialling down can reap large amount of extra frame rates. Plus I've never been able to differentiate between 120Hz and say 165Hz. I even find that on TW games a rock solid G-SYNC 60 fps is just often fine. But then, for me, graphics are 20% of the game, so that extra 5-10% in frames and detail is only really 1-2% of the total experience.

This is all a personal choice. It's part of the flexibility of PC gaming vs. consoles. I'd always vote for 1440p but a rock solid 1080p experience may well be such an improvement that you can leave 1440p for an eventual GPU upgrade.

Well I've gone foe this build, what do you think?

Case
FRACTAL MESHIFY S2 TEMPERED GLASS
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.7GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3500MB/sR | 2500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H115i RGB PRO XT Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 14 to 17 working days
Price: £1,844.00 including VAT and Delivery

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It's all about price, I don't need to rush to the best monitor so if I can get a good 1080p for £100 compared to the £300 of a 1440p, I can stay at 1080p for a bit and play games at a good level at that, graphics aren't the be all for me, just nice to play at higher than 20fps with a new system with settings that are nice haha.

 

[DarTon]

That's a good case so if you like that go for it. The USB-C won't work due to the lack of a header on the Mobo but you've still got 2 USB-A and loads of ports at the back (including a working USB-C).