First pc build for gaming, please tell me where I am wrong cos I know I probs am

[4NT1V1RU5]

Hi guys,

I am new to this and tbh havent done much in terms of research but know the basic ballpark I need to be looking at. My budget is around £1300-£1600. The primary use of the pc is going to be for gaming. I know the power supply is excessive for the current build but I do plan on upgrading parts later.

The specs are as follows:
Case
PCS PRISM TG BLACK ARGB MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core CPU (3.5GHz-4.4GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 530 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 3000MB/W)
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H100x Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge

Please tell me where I can do with an upgrade or where I can do with settling for something less. The main problem I need advise on is whether I should go for a radeon gpu instead and which one is on par or better than the one ive picked.

 

[Aza]

There a few immediate issues, storage configuration and cooler choice being the ones that jump out immediately, would also recommend the £18 WiFi card so its a AX200 WiFi 6 (one selected is very old).

As mentioned, monitor choice is abig guiding factor for GPU choice, a 3060 is going to give a very good 1080p 144Hz/Entry level 1440p, if going for 1440p 144Hz i'd recommend the 3060 Ti... but knowing what monitors you have/intend to get gives a much clearer picture.

do you have anything like windows already, perhaps on a old system you wont be using anymore? that can give some much needed room in the budget by transferring the licence as well.

 

[4NT1V1RU5]

Will you be using it for anything other than gaming? Any editing, streaming etc?

What monitor will be used with this as that dictates the best GPU to use? Make and model or resolution and refresh rate

Any other considerations? Quietness, RGB lighting

One final thing: On th post to forum page where you copy/pasted that spec, could you also please include the Unique Configurable URL found at the bottom? Makes it easier if people can just go in and edit rather than doing a spec from the ground up

It will mainly be for gaming, nothing else crazy like editing or streaming.

For now, nothing crazy for the monitor either, 1080p, 75 or 144hz depending on what I could find within my financial means (probs 75hz)

Quietness would be ideal but I am using it for gaming so it's no necessity plus I will be playing with headphones so I doubt it will be an issue for me. Not too fussed about RGB either but the case already has RGB fans and my RAM is RGB which is more than enough for me.

Honestly, I am no hardcore gamer, I just like playing games in my spare time. My Xbox is on its way out and playing on my notebook is depressing.

And thank you for the URL thing, I was thinking about it but wasn't sure if that actually was gonna work

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/D6zrVDWUVu/

 

[Aza]

It will mainly be for gaming, nothing else crazy like editing or streaming.

For now, nothing crazy for the monitor either, 1080p, 75 or 144hz depending on what I could find within my financial means (probs 75hz)

Quietness would be ideal but I am using it for gaming so it's no necessity plus I will be playing with headphones so I doubt it will be an issue for me. Not too fussed about RGB either but the case already has RGB fans and my RAM is RGB which is more than enough for me.

Honestly, I am no hardcore gamer, I just like playing games in my spare time. My Xbox is on its way out and playing on my notebook is depressing.

And thank you for the URL thing, I was thinking about it but wasn't sure if that actually was gonna work

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/D6zrVDWUVu/

Realistically, a 1080p 75Hz monitor is pretty much a dead end... youd also be able to run it off a 3050 GPU, if buying a monitor, maybe its better to look at the total budget as a whole? that way the monitor cost/and some suggestions for monitor can be done alongside the build cost to try and get the most for your money.

 

[Aza]

As a sort of example/rough starting area (it could def use a little tweeking)
Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 Ti - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3500MB/sR | 2500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler Black Edition
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 7 working days
Price: £1,579.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/XZ!fxEH7UG/

Paired with https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-VG27W...457&sprefix=1440p+monitor,aps,81&sr=8-13&th=1 Which is on offer atm on amazon, it would be £1830 total and give you a good 1440p system

Motherboard holds you back a little on upgrade options, but not massively (I think its 1 M2 gen 4 and 1 M2 gen 3, unlike the 570 versions which would take 2 gen 4 ones, but I think thats your biggest practical difference.

5600x can happily run on its stock cooler, the coolermaster hyper is a bit better, and the 850W PSU would allow for a future upgrade on GPU and still keep a reasonably amount of headroom (although youd need to upgrade it to push for 4K monitors/GPU's)

Lancool 215 is also a very good case for its price point, i'd avoid the PCS ones entirely if I were you.

 

[Aza]

I would imagine theres a Intel platform that could also be built, not sure on pricepoint for that but from what i'm told, AMD tend to be better quality at lower budgets. Most your budget is eaten by the GPU choice though... tend to be the most expensive parts in gaming rigs.

 

[Aza]

More budget end choice might be this (and would be 1080p 144Hz rather than 1440p 144Hz)
Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core CPU (3.5GHz-4.4GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3500MB/sR | 2500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 7 working days
Price: £1,420.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/5HtAwEQcZK/

With a monitor like this (again, not really premium, but still a reasonable choice) https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-UltraGe...=428432031&sprefix=lg+ultragear,aps,69&sr=8-2 which comes in at £1570 in total.

Still worth a few tweeks by people with better knowledge than me, but should give you a rough picture.

 

[4NT1V1RU5]

More budget end choice might be this (and would be 1080p 144Hz rather than 1440p 144Hz)
Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core CPU (3.5GHz-4.4GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3500MB/sR | 2500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 7 working days
Price: £1,420.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/5HtAwEQcZK/

With a monitor like this (again, not really premium, but still a reasonable choice) https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-UltraGear-24GN53A-Monitor-Display/dp/B088LYZYKX/ref=sr_1_2?crid=24RNA8Q2HZLPV&keywords=lg+ultragear&qid=1652813756&refinements=p_36:12500-16000&rnid=428432031&sprefix=lg+ultragear,aps,69&sr=8-2 which comes in at £1570 in total.

Still worth a few tweeks by people with better knowledge than me, but should give you a rough picture.

Cheers for the build you sent, I was just wondering what other cases you would recommend with this build. If you think that this case is optimal for this build then its fine but just want to explore my options as the case if the main visable part of the build

 

[JUNI0R]

Below would be my recommendations. Through some savy savings we've been able to get you an awesome build and a great 1080p 144hz monitor which will pair nicely with the GPU you have here all comfortably in your budget!

Any questions, ask away!

If you'd rather stick with AMD:
Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 GAMING CASE Decent quality high airflow case
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core CPU (3.5GHz-4.4GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4) Don't bother with the 5600X, you're basically paying £30 for a letter, 5600 is a decent value CPU
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready! More appropriate motherboard
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB) Really not much difference between the 3200 and 3600mhz RAM PCS provides, might as well save a few quid
Graphics Card
8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 6600 - HDMI, DP - DX® 12 Performs similarly to the 3060 but saves like £110? Absolute no brainer! (see Below)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3000MB/sR, 1600MB/sW) Will be a plenty fast boot drive (not sure where this obsession of putting Gen 4's in everything has come from)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2200 MB/R, 1500 MB/W) Sufficent games drive, if you'll be storing files too, feel free to add a HDD back in
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET Overspecced for the current build but will allow for plenty of upgrades
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 RGB V3 Series High Performance CPU Cooler (AMD) Perfectly sufficient cooler, could go for the Cooler Master 212 if you'd prefer a name brand
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0 Added in as the motherboard doesn't have WiFi
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001] Would stick to W10 for now
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Monitor
AOC 24G2U 24" 144Hz Gaming Monitor - DP Top of the line 1080p 144hz monitor. Currently slightly cheaper on Amazon
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 7 working days

Price: £1,443.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/jdduaEMCwa/

 

[JUNI0R]

(had to post in 2 parts -_-)

Or if you're happy to go Intel which would give you better future upgradability:
Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-12400F (2.5GHz) 18MB Cache Great budget gaming CPU
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B660-PLUS WIFI D4: ATX, LGA1700, USB 3.2, SATA 6GBs - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 6600 - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3000MB/sR, 1600MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2200 MB/R, 1500 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 RGB V3 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Monitor
AOC 24G2U 24" 144Hz Gaming Monitor - DP
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 7 working days

Price: £1,476.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z690-pc/gD2EMxdFZN/

Below!

TechSpot/ Hardware Unboxed review of the 6600

 

[Aza]

@JUNI0R Do you think theres a 1440p system in there for £1600?
You've managed to trim a chunk off the example 1080p (which I really did try to keep to a budget lol) wondered if you could do the same for 1440p?

No idea why I didnt think of AMD GPU's... I know they're cheaper. (BTW, Gen 4 rules!! *cough*...although I think any percieved speed difference in the OS between the samsung 970 and 980 when I upgraded was largely in my head....)

 

[JUNI0R]

@JUNI0R Do you think theres a 1440p system in there for £1600?

1440p system alone? Easily. With monitor it changes a bit it just depends if OP has any more cash to spend on a monitor or if that was included in the budget

Swapping the 6600 for a 3060TI (6600XT and 6650XT aren't quite there for 1440p and the 6700XT is more than the 60TI) and removing the monitor brings this build to £1,476. The ASUS VG27AQ1A is currently £309 from Curry's which would mean they have to find another £175 or so to get there. We could start cutting back in other areas (can go for the stock cooler, can cut back on the PSU and a single drive build isn't the end of the world) to give some more to spend but i'd rather get OP's input on their budget situation first then go from there

 

[JUNI0R]

Forum really seems to hate me tonight... Part 2, again!

No idea why I didnt think of AMD GPU's... I know they're cheaper

I'm a complete and utter shill for the RX6600 and the moment, it's such a fantastic value card versus the NVIDIA options. Same price as the 3050, same performance as the 3060. Absolute no brainer for me.

(BTW, Gen 4 rules!! *cough*...although I think any percieved speed difference in the OS between the samsung 970 and 980 when I upgraded was largely in my head....)

Yes, Direct storage should be coming soon (it has been for about 10 years now ) which might change it all but it's not actually *that* massive. Having upgraded from SATA SSD to a top end Gen 3 drive, it's more than fast enough for 99% of people and unless you're going super high end, or actually need the fast storage for a use, I don't think Gen 4 everything makes sense from a value standpoint yet. Anyway, getting off track!

 

[SpyderTracks]

Forum really seems to hate me tonight... Part 2, again!


I'm a complete and utter shill for the RX6600 and the moment, it's such a fantastic value card versus the NVIDIA options. Same price as the 3050, same performance as the 3060. Absolute no brainer for me.


Yes, Direct storage should be coming soon (it has been for about 10 years now ) which might change it all but it's not actually *that* massive. Having upgraded from SATA SSD to a top end Gen 3 drive, it's more than fast enough for 99% of people and unless you're going super high end, or actually need the fast storage for a use, I don't think Gen 4 everything makes sense from a value standpoint yet. Anyway, getting off track!

The AMD GPU's are in the main far better value, TechSpot did a really good price vs frames analysis on GPU's, it's a month old but still shows you the general picture

Source: https://www.techspot.com/article/2454-cost-per-frame-best-value-gpu/