First new build ryzen since 2017, for general home and gaming use.

[blaster9999]

Looking at my first new pc since Ryzen 1000. Thanking people in advance, looking for peoples opinions /suggestions.
Points of note :
1) Current system is a ryzen 5600x with a 3060, 16gb ram and a B350 motherboard.
2) I've picked 5600MHz CL40 ram, but how much worse is 5200MHZ cl40?
3) I've put down a 9070, as GFX card, but intend to source elsewhere as do not like the 12 point power pins used by Sapphire.

PC Spec

Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL 205 MESH C GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Six Core CPU (3.9GHz-5.4GHz/38MB CACHE/AM5)
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Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B850-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5600MHz CL40 (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB SAPPHIRE PULSE RADEON™ RX 9070 GAMING - 2 x HDMI, 2 x DP
Graphics Card Support Bracket
PCS GRAPHICS CARD SUPPORT BRACKET
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (3500 MB/R, 3100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W CX SERIES™ CX-750 POWER SUPPLY
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Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 V3 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

 

[Ekans2011]

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[SpyderTracks]

The sapphire pulse doesn’t use the 12v2x6 connector, just 2 x standard 8 pins.

Its only their top end model, the Nitro+ that does

If you’re currently on a Ryzen 5000 build, how come you’re looking to replace it so soon rather than upgrading? It’s only about mid way through its lifecycle, bit of a waste of money

 

[blaster9999]

The sapphire pulse doesn’t use the 12v2x6 connector, just 2 x standard 8 pins.

Its only their top end model, the Nitro+ that does

If you’re currently on a Ryzen 5000 build, how come you’re looking to replace it so soon rather than upgrading? It’s only about mid way through its lifecycle, bit of a waste of money

thanks for the info on the sapphire, may of gotten confused with the 9070xt which all use 12 pin. As for the build The original build date is June 2017. In 2022 upgrade the ssd, gfx card to a 3060 and cpu from 1600x to a 5600x. Once I sold old parts the cost to upgrade was about £400 and resulted in significantly better performance. It still works fine, but the core components (motherboard with pcie 3, only one m.2, HDD etc,) are really too old for me to be comfortable for them to be my main pc.

 

[SpyderTracks]

may of gotten confused with the 9070xt which all use 12 pin.

Again, the 9070xt there’s only a couple of models that use the 12v2x6 connector.

ASRock Taichi
Sapphire Nitro+

Most use 3 x 8 pin, the reference boards have 2 x 8 pin

Sorry, I completely missed your pc started out on Ryzen 1000. You did very well with that, bravo. Definitely a good time to replace it

 

[blaster9999]

Again, the 9070xt there’s only a couple of models that use the 12v2x6 connector.

ASRock Taichi
Sapphire Nitro+

Most use 3 x 8 pin, the reference boards have 2 x 8 pin

Sorry, I completely missed your pc started out on Ryzen 1000. You did very well with that, bravo. Definitely a good time to replace it

Sorry mistyped meant all the sapphire 9070xt appear to have 12 pins. As for the pc I think I've done well with it, but how much do I want to push my luck with an ageing motherboard and powerpack. That's why asking for advice.

 

[blaster9999]

What is your maximum budget for the build? There are areas that are less than optimal but knowing the budget will let us know what wiggle room there is.

Also, if you could go back to the post to forum page and include the Unique configurable URL (in green at the bottom) please? It's a massive helpto us as it saves us building a spec from scratch and instead we can just go in and adjust as needed. Thanks

Budget about 1100 without the gfx card. As for the URL not sure where to look.

 

[Ekans2011]

Budget about 1100 without the gfx card. As for the URL not sure where to look.

If you can stretch it to £1300, you can have something like this, which is significantly better to the one you mentioned above.

Case
CORSAIR FRAME 4000D RS ARGB MODULAR
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B850-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz CL30 (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NONE, I ALREADY HAVE A GRAPHICS CARD
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 3325MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ ATX 3.1, MODULAR, CYBENETICS GOLD
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR NAUTILUS 240 RS ARGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price: £1,293.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/yCzVDCV29y/

 

[blaster9999]

If you can stretch it to £1300, you can have something like this, which is significantly better to the one you mentioned above.

Case
CORSAIR FRAME 4000D RS ARGB MODULAR
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B850-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz CL30 (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NONE, I ALREADY HAVE A GRAPHICS CARD
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 3325MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ ATX 3.1, MODULAR, CYBENETICS GOLD
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR NAUTILUS 240 RS ARGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price: £1,293.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/yCzVDCV29y/

Thank you for the build just a few questions :
1) how much of an impact will the 6000 CL 30 memory really be over the 56oo cl40?
2) Why the 2 SSD, one of which is only 500 gb and why Solidgm drives?
3)why 1000 watt PS rather than a 750?
4) why CORSAIR FRAME 4000D RS ARGB MODULAR case?

Also much say not really bothered if no rgb.

Thanking you in advance

 

[Ekans2011]

Thank you for the build just a few questions :
1) how much of an impact will the 6000 CL 30 memory really be over the 56oo cl40?
2) Why the 2 SSD, one of which is only 500 gb and why Solidgm drives?
3)why 1000 watt PS rather than a 750?
4) why CORSAIR FRAME 4000D RS ARGB MODULAR case?

Also much say not really bothered if no rgb.

Thanking you in advance

1) The AM5 sweetspot frequency is 6000MHz; going lower may reduce performances.
2) When possible, keep the OS separate from the main drive; 512GB is sufficient for the OS, apps, and game launchers.
Unknown PCS-branded drives are prone to failure; SolidiGM and Corsair are substantially higher quality drives.
3) 1000W ATX 3.1 is an excellent choice for future upgrades; 750W will limit your system to low-end GPUs.
4) The 4000D is a superior case to the 205 Mesh, which is a decent entry-level option. Never go cheap on a case.

 

[blaster9999]

I'm looking at a 750 watt supply for a am5 build with an amd gpu. Why pay extra for the modular supply? Aren't they both 750 watt supplies? Please this is a serious question as bought the cx type supplies without issue.

 

[SpyderTracks]

I'm looking at a 750 watt supply for a am5 build with an amd gpu. Why pay extra for the modular supply? Aren't they both 750 watt supplies? Please this is a serious question as bought the cx type supplies without issue.

This has already been explained in your build thread, it's best to stick to the same thread about the build

 

[Rakk]

I'm looking at a 750 watt supply for a am5 build with an amd gpu. Why pay extra for the modular supply? Aren't they both 750 watt supplies? Please this is a serious question as bought the cx type supplies without issue.

As said it really is best to stick to one thread, means people can see the build and see where your questions may be coming from.

IMO a modular PSU is better just cos it means you don't have all the cables attached to the PSU (unless you actually need them all), ie makes the build tidier and less cluttered. They may also be better quality - but not sure about that, haven't checked
You will get the extra PSU cables that came with the PSU and where not used in your build and can add them if you ever do need them, otherwise you leave them not cluttering your case

 

[SpyderTracks]

But the 750w wouldn’t be suitable unless you’ve changed your configuration, there is no CX model for the wattage you require for your build.

The CX is also less efficient rated at 80+ Bronze, vs the RMx at 80+ Gold. This means that the Bronze cannot convert the energy put into it as effectively as the RMx model, so it will output less wattage, and more will be lost in the conversion through heat and noise.

 

[Ekans2011]

The CX is also less efficient rated at 80+ Bronze, vs the RMx at 80+ Gold.

Furthermore, CX series are basic PSUs with low-quality components, and I would never recommend them for a gaming system.

 

[blaster9999]

Thank you for common sense answers, the recommended manufacturers wattage is 700, the config page recommends 650. My current build uses a 550 watt cx power supply and had no issues with it. But then corsair is a very different company to 2017.

 

[Ekans2011]

Thank you for common sense answers, the recommended manufacturers wattage is 700, the config page recommends 650. My current build uses a 550 watt cx power supply and had no issues with it.

Automatic/manufacturers configurators don't take into account for transient spikes, future (unavoidable) upgrades, usage, and other factors; disregard their recommendations.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thank you for common sense answers, the recommended manufacturers wattage is 700, the config page recommends 650. My current build uses a 550 watt cx power supply and had no issues with it.

So what happens at upgrade time? You're not designing the PC to your current requirements, but the requirements in 10 years time. Settling for a 750w will limit upgrades substantially.

Also, if you look up the TDP of a GPU, it will show you that of the reference design or founders edition. Aftermarket cards are often (usually) power unlocked and so tend to require a higher PSU. PCS don't stock founders edition cards so it's another too heavy applied limit.

An ATX3 PSU is also not designed to be used over about 60% capacity, and only accounts for 1.5 x transient spikes when an actual transient is up to 2 x the TBP of the GPU, which would be 1125w that the PSU is rated for maximum. If you factor in a 5080 at 360w x 2, that's 720W which only leaves you about 200w for the rest of the system including some overhead safety margin, that's running it absolutely flat out.

But your CPU alone can draw up to 162W, so you've got less than 40W for the entire rest of the build, which just isn't going to work, that's whilst running the PSU at max anyway which you should never do.

For the sake of saving literally £30 now, you're risking limiting the build, and having to do a full tear down and rebuild plus spending an extra £200 for a suitable PSU later on on top of this one simply because you're not planning ahead.

 

[blaster9999]

Does a higher wattage power supply use more power in ordinary usage than a lower wattage one or is that extra wattage just extra headroom to draw upon when needed, in other words all things being equal, does a 750 one use more than a say a 650.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Does a higher wattage power supply use more power in ordinary usage than a lower wattage one or is that extra wattage just extra headroom to draw upon when needed, in other words all things being equal, does a 750 one use more than a say a 650.

The PSU rating has zero relation to how much the system will draw, that’s down to the internal components.

So you could have a system drawing 750w with a 2500w PSU, it’s still only drawing 750w, all the PSU rating dictates is how much is available to draw on.