Elimina - to pro or not to pro...

[Animal_79]

Hi Everyone,

My current machine is getting on and I am looking at an upgrade.

The Elimina seems about my price range and without too many choices to make on cpu or gpu it feels relatively straight forward.

I am however caught between the 15" Elimina and the Elimina pro.

The key differences seem to be:

1) Pro has a 2560 x 1440 resolution vs 1920 x 1080 on the standard
2) Pro can accommodate slightly faster RAM (2933 MHz vs 2666 MHz)
3) The Pro is thinner
4) They seem to have different sound cards but I don't understand the specifics

Is that it or am I missing something?

On the differences

1) Will I be able to notice the difference in resolution on a 15" screen? If I will be able to see an obvious difference then I am happy to pay for it but don't want to waste money on something imperceptible.

2) I guess faster RAM is nice but unlikely to make a huge difference?

3) I'm not fussed by the thickness - unless of course the thinker standard chassis might actually help with cooling?

4) The descriptions make me think that the sound card on the standard model may actually be better... I don't use external speakers and so sound quality from the built in speakers is definitely a factor.

I would post my proposed spec but the configuration won't let me proceed because the chassis is out of stock and it suggests i select a different option - but obviously this isn't possible.

As final questions,

I often see specs posted with a first, small, hard drive for the os and then a larger drive for files. Why is this so popular as I don't understand the benefit over just having a larger single drive and having the option to add another in the empty port at a later date if extra space is needed.

Is arctic paste worth it? It is only £9 but does it actually make any difference?

I'm tempted to upgrade the wireless as well. Again it isn't a huge cost to upgrade (£13) and so this seems like a no-brainer.

If anybody has any thoughts/recommendations I would be very grateful.

Thanks in advance,

Ben

 

[kshina]

Other difference is that Elimina is Clevo whilst Pro is Tong Fang. There seems to be different views here as to the pro and cons of each.

15.6" RTX 3000 series laptops at PCS.

Just a quick comparison for people to see whats available PCSPECIALIST - 15 inch Laptops for Gaming, Custom Laptops : It should be noted that you should not take these as gospel when making your decision and prices are as per when I did this (13/1 9am ish). This was put together reasonably...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

also Pro has a 165Hz QHD Panel as opposed to 144Hz FHD Panel.
Think both can accommodate faster RAM (2933 MHz)

I often see specs posted with a first, small, hard drive for the os and then a larger drive for files. Why is this so popular as I don't understand the benefit over just having a larger single drive and having the option to add another in the empty port at a later date if extra space is needed

I asked the same question here before.. the other files/games go on the second ssd so if you ever need to reinstall the OS, you don't need to reinstall the games/back up files again.

 

[yotoprules]

Other difference is that Elimina is Clevo whilst Pro is Tong Fang. There seems to be different views here as to the pro and cons of each.

15.6" RTX 3000 series laptops at PCS.

Just a quick comparison for people to see whats available PCSPECIALIST - 15 inch Laptops for Gaming, Custom Laptops : It should be noted that you should not take these as gospel when making your decision and prices are as per when I did this (13/1 9am ish). This was put together reasonably...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

also Pro has a 165Hz QHD Panel as opposed to 144Hz FHD Panel.
Think both can accommodate faster RAM (2933 MHz)


I asked the same question here before.. the other files/games go on the second ssd so if you ever need to reinstall the OS, you don't need to reinstall the games/back up files again.

Also I'm pretty sure than Standard (clevo) is Max-Q, whereas the Pro (tongfang) is Max-p (the GPU can run at a higher TDP) so thats also worth considering

 

[MrXT]

Also I'm pretty sure than Standard (clevo) is Max-Q, whereas the Pro (tongfang) is Max-p (the GPU can run at a higher TDP) so thats also worth considering

How exactly do you know that?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Also I'm pretty sure than Standard (clevo) is Max-Q, whereas the Pro (tongfang) is Max-p (the GPU can run at a higher TDP) so thats also worth considering

It's not, otherwise it would state it as a Max-Q variant.

It's a Max-P card in the normal Elimina.

 

[yotoprules]

It's not, otherwise it would state it as a Max-Q variant.

It's a Max-P card in the normal Elimina.

Everywhere I've checked, it's been a max-q equivalent... Although PC specialist never specifies what TGP each laptop is but I'm just going off of buyers who have got a laptop with the exact same chassis, all the Clevo ones seem to be max-q and all the tongfangs seem to be max-p.

Not saying you're wrong though, I don't own the laptop, just surprised since I'm just seeing conflicting information.

Well at least from this thread everyones saying its Max-Q https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/clevo-17-3-gpu-tgp.79613/ although thats for the 17 inch version, but why would the 17 inch version be max-q and the 15 inch be max-p, surely the other way around?

Also for the 15 inch version, I'm pretty sure the chassis is identical to the one in the Gigabyte G5, and that laptop is a Max-Q with bad cooling at least from the single review I could find of it.

 

[Vergaro98]

Clevo use the max-q usually while tongfang use the max-p version.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Clevo use the max-q usually while tongfang use the max-p version.

If you look on the configurator, any laptops that use max-q gpus are specifically labelled as such. The 15.6” defiance for example. Don’t assume that it’s max q just because other SI’s use max-q, verify it with PCS.

As the configurator states thought it’s a max-p card.

 

[Macco26]

Elimina is NOT Max-P, as stated by an owner back in Feb 2021. It's a 90W + 15W DB, totallying 105W max.

While Elimina Pro does have Max-P, as many screenshots of its Control Center do show: 115W+15W DB = 130W.

We should blame PCS for incorrect data in the configurator, not people saying it's Max-Q.

 

[Vergaro98]

As i thought. Thanks Macco26

 

[yotoprules]

If you look on the configurator, any laptops that use max-q gpus are specifically labelled as such. The 15.6” defiance for example. Don’t assume that it’s max q just because other SI’s use max-q, verify it with PCS.

As the configurator states thought it’s a max-p card.

They probably don't state it because the Max-Q/Max-P naming scheme isn't a thing anymore, however they still exist, the lower TGP and higher TGP versions.

 

[SpyderTracks]

They probably don't state it because the Max-Q/Max-P naming scheme isn't a thing anymore, however they still exist, the lower TGP and higher TGP versions.

But they do state it, it's likely just incorrect for that chassis, have emailed to clarify, if it is have asked them to update the configurator.

 

[SpyderTracks]

I did get a response on the GPU TGP as below:

"The TGP of this chassis is 95W (up to 110W with dynamic boost). I have been informed that this graphics card is not Max-Q as Nvidia have changed the meaning of Max-Q to apply to full chassis that meet power, noise and thermal targets. So there are technically no Max-Q GPU’s anymore."

 

[MrXT]

I did get a response on the GPU TGP as below:

"The TGP of this chassis is 95W (up to 110W with dynamic boost). I have been informed that this graphics card is not Max-Q as Nvidia have changed the meaning of Max-Q to apply to full chassis that meet power, noise and thermal targets. So there are technically no Max-Q GPU’s anymore."

I emailed them about this as well and my response was that the 3060 in the elimina was 80w-105w, for the 17.3inch version. Why would the larger version have less power? doesn't make sense.

 

[Bhuna50]

I emailed them about this as well and my response was that the 3060 in the elimina was 80w-105w, for the 17.3inch version. Why would the larger version have less power? doesn't make sense.

You’re referring to the 3060, I think the MaxQ is quoted on the 3070 and 3080 only so I expect @SpyderTracks was referring to those with his figures.


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[MrXT]

You’re referring to the 3060, I think the MaxQ is quoted on the 3070 and 3080 only so I expect @SpyderTracks was referring to those with his figures.


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Officially the 3060s arent max-q or max-p but clearly they are as the TDP for them varies drastically between laptops anywhere from 80watts to 140watts so although not official its pretty obvious they have max-q and max-p models and nvidias stupid system only causes confusion.

He also couldn't have been talking about anything but the 3060 since the elimina only supports the 3060 and he mentioned it not being max-q due to nvidia changing the meaning which means he couldnt have been talking about the 3070 or 3080.

 

[Macco26]

Nvidia told in January OEM should not name their offering in Max-Q and Max-P and we all agree with that, BUT at the same time Nvidia asked/enforced the same OEMs to specify the TDP ranges in their offering. A thing some OEMs (PCS?) seem not to adhere, yet..