Custom Pre-built Pre-order

[19dayne]

Hey im planning on ordering a custom pre-built with a 3060, and i was wondering how long it would take, or if theres a set time frame on when they'd get the graphics cards.

Thanks!

 

[Deleted member 17413]

A lot (if not all) the premade builds arent actually that good.
Waiting times have also improved a lot for most builds, seems to be the 3060Ti/3080 etc that are the worst off.
Two/three weeks is probably a fair guess for most builds asssuming you dont go for those parts.

Whats your budget and uses? What monitor too.

 

[Martinr36]

Hey im planning on ordering a custom pre-built with a 3060, and i was wondering how long it would take, or if theres a set time frame on when they'd get the graphics cards.

Thanks!

A lot (if not all) the premade builds arent actually that good.
Waiting times have also improved a lot for most builds, seems to be the 3060Ti/3080 etc that are the worst off.
Two/three weeks is probably a fair guess for most builds asssuming you dont go for those parts.

Whats your budget and uses? What monitor too.

if you answer the questions that @sibun1 asked we can probably sort a better balanced system for a similar price

 

[19dayne]

A lot (if not all) the premade builds arent actually that good.
Waiting times have also improved a lot for most builds, seems to be the 3060Ti/3080 etc that are the worst off.
Two/three weeks is probably a fair guess for most builds asssuming you dont go for those parts.

Whats your budget and uses? What monitor too.

ty for the reply @sibun1 !! My Budget is around 1.3k and currently the monitor im using isnt too great but ill eventually upgrade the monitor, but for now the monitor is a Asus vp228he, 75hz.
also the custom pre-built i made and looking at atm;

 

[Deleted member 17413]

This would be a much better bet, but costs a little more... you could dial back the CPU to a 3600 to save some cash (makes it £1401), personally I would not drop the motherboard any further (the 450 boards are getting on now, and worth thinking of future upgrades so a 550 will get you further if/when you upgrade CPU in 8 or 9 years time...)

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12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP
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1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
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ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
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[Martinr36]

if you can stretch to £1394 this should do nicely with a good upgrade line in the future when you decide to change monitor you would just need to upgrade the GPU, the 3060 is overkill for your existing monitor

Case
CORSAIR iCUE 220T RGB AIRFLOW MID TOWER GAMING CASE
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AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
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ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 8GB)
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6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1660 SUPER - HDMI, DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
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[Deleted member 17413]

Undercutting the GPU is actually the better bet...especially as your current monitors are 1080p 75Hz...
Taking a 1660 Super GPU in the build i listed gives you £1335 as a price

 

[Martinr36]

Undercutting the GPU is actually the better bet...especially as your current monitors are 1080p 75Hz...
Taking a 1660 Super GPU in the build i listed gives you £1335 as a price

yeah i thought the GPU was the best bet to grab money back considering monitors are on 1080p 75Hz

 

[19dayne]

thanks for the suggestions, i know a 3060 will be overkill for my current monitor but id rather upgrade the monitor in the future and stick with a better graphics card

 

[Deleted member 17413]

thanks for the suggestions, i know a 3060 will be overkill for my current monitor but id rather upgrade the monitor in the future and stick with a better graphics card

A 3060 will still limit you to 1080p, which makes any monitor upgrade either kinda weak (just increasing 75Hz to 144Hz) or means another GPU anyway...

a 1660 Super will run that monitor, or any 1080p monitor, just fine.

Its a better idea to take the 1660 Super and then when you do upgrade monitors, get a GPU to suit that (I would assume you'd upgrade to 1440p resolution, not just a faster refresh rate).

Also, GPU's are the bits you are -meant- to upgrade every few years anyway, to keep up with modern titles etc.

 

[19dayne]

I'm still going for a 3060 regardless of my monitor, and also the main point of my post was to ask how long pre-orders would take for custom pre-builts. I appreciate the suggestions though!

 

[Martinr36]

A 3060 will still limit you to 1080p, which makes any monitor upgrade either kinda weak (just increasing 75Hz to 144Hz) or means another GPU anyway...

a 1660 Super will run that monitor, or any 1080p monitor, just fine.

Its a better idea to take the 1660 Super and then when you do upgrade monitors, get a GPU to suit that (I would assume you'd upgrade to 1440p resolution, not just a faster refresh rate).

Also, GPU's are the bits you are -meant- to upgrade every few years anyway, to keep up with modern titles etc.

Yep I'd second all of that, 1080p is pretty much a dying resolution these days

 

[19dayne]

also, looking at the ssd drive the : 1TB CORSAIR MP400 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 3480 MB/R, 1880 MB/W) specifically, i was wondering why the write speed is much slower than the reading, i even tried finding this exact ssd drive on corsair and amazon, and they all say 3000mb for the write speed...? so im confuse

 

[Deleted member 17413]

Interesting.... it does indeed say up to 3000MB sequential write speeds...
That bit, I dont know... But write speeds are generally lower than read speeds anyway, and its a Gen 3 so it kinda fits in line with other similar drives... you'd need to ask one of teh mods or PCS direct for some proper knowledge (i'd recommend the Mods)

 

[19dayne]

Interesting.... it does indeed say up to 3000MB sequential write speeds...
That bit, I dont know... But write speeds are generally lower than read speeds anyway, and its a Gen 3 so it kinda fits in line with other similar drives... you'd need to ask one of teh mods or PCS direct for some proper knowledge (i'd recommend the Mods)

Thank you! i have messaged a mod to solve this confusion of mine (hopefully).

 

[ubuysa]

also, looking at the ssd drive the : 1TB CORSAIR MP400 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 3480 MB/R, 1880 MB/W) specifically, i was wondering why the write speed is much slower than the reading, i even tried finding this exact ssd drive on corsair and amazon, and they all say 3000mb for the write speed...? so im confuse

I can't explain why a write takes longer, my guess would be it's related to finding a free block, erasing the block and then writing the new data. In any case write speeds are much less important from a performance point of view than read speeds.

In any given program thread, when a read from drive is issued the thread stops. It cannot proceed until the required data has been read from the drive into the buffer in RAM. In most cases the thread will lose control of the CPU until the read has completed, it will then have to wait its turn on the dispatcher queue until it's given control of a CPU again. That's a BIG deal and the faster you can make the read the better the overall performance.

When the same thread issues a write to drive it's only to commit data that has already been processed. The thread does not (usually) need to wait for the data to be written, as soon as the write command is issued the thread can move on to the next instructions in the code and the thread does not lose control of the CPU.

You can see from the above that write speed has no impact on the performance of the thread issuing the write - but, because only one read/write operation can be in progress per device at a time, the time it takes to complete the write impacts the performance of other threads that want to read from the same drive. We thus need write speeds to be fast but they're not as performance critical as read speeds.

 

[19dayne]

I can't explain why a write takes longer, my guess would be it's related to finding a free block, erasing the block and then writing the new data. In any case write speeds are much less important from a performance point of view than read speeds.

In any given program thread, when a read from drive is issued the thread stops. It cannot proceed until the required data has been read from the drive into the buffer in RAM. In most cases the thread will lose control of the CPU until the read has completed, it will then have to wait its turn on the dispatcher queue until it's given control of a CPU again. That's a BIG deal and the faster you can make the read the better the overall performance.

When the same thread issues a write to drive it's only to commit data that has already been processed. The thread does not (usually) need to wait for the data to be written, as soon as the write command is issued the thread can move on to the next instructions in the code and the thread does not lose control of the CPU.

You can see from the above that write speed has no impact on the performance of the thread issuing the write - but, because only one read/write operation can be in progress per device at a time, the time it takes to complete the write impacts the performance of other threads that want to read from the same drive. We thus need write speeds to be fast but they're not as performance critical as read speeds.

that makes sense thanks! but what im confused about is why i cant find the exact same m.2 ssd drive as the one i mentioned anywhere else, I found the same model a corsair mp400 but the speeds are much better than the 1880 mb/w that it is said to have.

 

[19dayne]

Hello, im looking at the m.2 ssd drive : 1TB CORSAIR MP400 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 3480 MB/R, 1880 MB/W) , and i was wondering why the write speed is MUCH MUCH slower than the reading, and when tried finding this exact ssd drive on corsair and amazon websites, they all say 3000mb for the write speed, i can't find the same m.2 ssd drive that has a 3480 mb/r and 1880mb/w ANYWHERE... is this a typo or is this actually facts?

 

[Bhuna50]

You will have to ask PCS directly. It is interesting to see the other two Corsair drives - the 2 and 4TB ones both quote 3000mb write speed.

Although interestingly, even in the write up on the Corsair website it mentions 3000 for the write speed until you click on the specs then it says:

MP400 1TB NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD

The CORSAIR MP400 Gen3 PCIe x4 NVMe M.2 SSD delivers up to 3,400MB/s sequential read and up to 3,000MB/s sequential write speeds,* utilizing high-capacity 3D QLC NAND memory. * Performance and endurance vary by capacity.

www.corsair.com

 

[19dayne]

You will have to ask PCS directly. It is interesting to see the other two Corsair drives - the 2 and 4TB ones both quote 3000mb write speed.

Although interestingly, even in the write up on the Corsair website it mentions 3000 for the write speed until you click on the specs then it says:

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MP400 1TB NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD

The CORSAIR MP400 Gen3 PCIe x4 NVMe M.2 SSD delivers up to 3,400MB/s sequential read and up to 3,000MB/s sequential write speeds,* utilizing high-capacity 3D QLC NAND memory. * Performance and endurance vary by capacity.

www.corsair.com

oh i see, i appreciate that thanks!, would this SSD Drive still be good? i wont notice much of a difference right?