BSOD / Apparent Memory Issues with Brand New PC

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Wardalej

Member
Hi PCS Experts,

I really need some assistance...

I recently started up my new PC (Specs Below), installed a windows package. However I have been plagued with Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) crashes for the last four days. I have spent most of the weekend trying to figure it out, however it seems to me it is a hardware / memory / RAM problem. Has anyone ever come across this before or has some pointers for me? I have contacted PCS however their phone waiting times are very long. Steps I have taken up to now include:
  • Re-installing drivers and installing again through AMD’s software download.
  • Re-installing windows several times (from scratch).
  • Many different DISM checks and troubleshooting.
  • Windows Memory Diagnostic Test (Which noted there was a hardware error, although not specific what this could be)

Further data / details of my PC specs, Windows Mem Test and the Minidump files below:

PC SPEC:

Case CORSAIR OBSIDIAN SERIES™ 500D SE CASE
Processor (CPU)AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12 Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.8GHz/70MB CACHE/AM4)
MotherboardASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 5700 XT - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
1st Storage Drive2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive1TB INTEL® 665p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 2000MB/sR | 1925MB/sW)
DVD/BLU-RAY DriveNOT REQUIRED
Power SupplyCORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor CoolingCorsair H100i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal PasteSTANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound CardONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network CardWIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt OptionsMIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating SystemNO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System LanguageUnited Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery MediaNO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office SoftwareFREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)

Windows Memory Test Error Messages (Event Viewer):

  • 'Warning' Event 10016 Distributed COM: The machine-default permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID {C2F03A33-21F5-47FA-B4BB-156362A2F239} and APPID {316CDED5-E4AE-4B15-9113-7055D84DCC97} to the user DESKTOP-67LN8EI\jackw SID (S-1-5-21-1611554679-209402235-321450724-1001) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application containerrosoft.Windows.ShellExperienceHost_10.0.19041.610_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy SID (S-1-15-2-155514346-2573954481-755741238-1654018636-1233331829-3075935687-2861478708). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.
  • 'Error' Event 1202, MemoryDiagnostics-Results The Windows Memory Diagnostic tested the computer's memory and detected hardware errors. To identify and repair these problems, contact the computer manufacturer
Minidump File Text:

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Dump File : 011021-8953-01.dmp
Crash Time : 10/01/2021 18:24:48
Bug Check String : KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
Bug Check Code : 0x0000001e
Parameter 1 : ffffffff`c0000005
Parameter 2 : fffff804`363ed6be
Parameter 3 : 00000000`00000000
Parameter 4 : ffffffff`ffffffff
Caused By Driver : storport.sys
Caused By Address : storport.sys+d6be
File Description : Microsoft Storage Port Driver
Product Name : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Company : Microsoft Corporation
File Version : 10.0.19041.488 (WinBuild.160101.0800)
Processor : x64
Crash Address : ntoskrnl.exe+3f5780
Stack Address 1 :
Stack Address 2 :
Stack Address 3 :
Computer Name :
Full Path : C:\Windows\Minidump\011021-8953-01.dmp
Processors Count : 24
Major Version : 15
Minor Version : 19041
Dump File Size : 1,713,716
Dump File Time : 10/01/2021 18:25:18
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Dump File : 011021-7265-01.dmp
Crash Time : 10/01/2021 18:00:14
Bug Check String : KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
Bug Check Code : 0x0000001e
Parameter 1 : ffffffff`c0000005
Parameter 2 : fffff805`40271dbc
Parameter 3 : 00000000`00000000
Parameter 4 : ffffffff`ffffffff
Caused By Driver : ntoskrnl.exe
Caused By Address : ntoskrnl.exe+3f5780
File Description : NT Kernel & System
Product Name : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Company : Microsoft Corporation
File Version : 10.0.19041.685 (WinBuild.160101.0800)
Processor : x64
Crash Address : ntoskrnl.exe+3f5780
Stack Address 1 :
Stack Address 2 :
Stack Address 3 :
Computer Name :
Full Path : C:\Windows\Minidump\011021-7265-01.dmp
Processors Count : 24
Major Version : 15
Minor Version : 19041
Dump File Size : 2,229,884
Dump File Time : 10/01/2021 18:00:45
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Dump File : 011021-8843-01.dmp
Crash Time : 10/01/2021 17:30:49
Bug Check String : POOL_CORRUPTION_IN_FILE_AREA
Bug Check Code : 0x000000de
Parameter 1 : 00000000`00000002
Parameter 2 : ffff9b0b`9e416fe0
Parameter 3 : ffffbb0b`9e416fe0
Parameter 4 : 00000002`33e688c0
Caused By Driver : ntoskrnl.exe
Caused By Address : ntoskrnl.exe+3f5780
File Description : NT Kernel & System
Product Name : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Company : Microsoft Corporation
File Version : 10.0.19041.685 (WinBuild.160101.0800)
Processor : x64
Crash Address : ntoskrnl.exe+3f5780
Stack Address 1 :
Stack Address 2 :
Stack Address 3 :
Computer Name :
Full Path : C:\Windows\Minidump\011021-8843-01.dmp
Processors Count : 24
Major Version : 15
Minor Version : 19041
Dump File Size : 2,570,476
Dump File Time : 10/01/2021 17:31:46
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Dump File : 011021-9265-01.dmp
Crash Time : 10/01/2021 15:44:51
Bug Check String : KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
Bug Check Code : 0x0000001e
Parameter 1 : ffffffff`c0000005
Parameter 2 : fffff804`21eec55a
Parameter 3 : ffff9a85`8f93dce8
Parameter 4 : ffff9a85`8f93d520
Caused By Driver : ntoskrnl.exe
Caused By Address : ntoskrnl.exe+3f5780
File Description : NT Kernel & System
Product Name : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Company : Microsoft Corporation
File Version : 10.0.19041.685 (WinBuild.160101.0800)
Processor : x64
Crash Address : ntoskrnl.exe+3f5780
Stack Address 1 :
Stack Address 2 :
Stack Address 3 :
Computer Name :
Full Path : C:\Windows\Minidump\011021-9265-01.dmp
Processors Count : 24
Major Version : 15
Minor Version : 19041
Dump File Size : 2,318,116
Dump File Time : 10/01/2021 15:45:36
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Dump File : 011021-6953-01.dmp
Crash Time : 10/01/2021 15:10:50
Bug Check String : PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
Bug Check Code : 0x00000050
Parameter 1 : ffff9e80`60298020
Parameter 2 : 00000000`00000000
Parameter 3 : fffff801`24650e3b
Parameter 4 : 00000000`00000002
Caused By Driver : ntoskrnl.exe
Caused By Address : ntoskrnl.exe+3f5780
File Description : NT Kernel & System
Product Name : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Company : Microsoft Corporation
File Version : 10.0.19041.685 (WinBuild.160101.0800)
Processor : x64
Crash Address : ntoskrnl.exe+3f5780
Stack Address 1 :
Stack Address 2 :
Stack Address 3 :
Computer Name :
Full Path : C:\Windows\Minidump\011021-6953-01.dmp
Processors Count : 24
Major Version : 15
Minor Version : 19041
Dump File Size : 1,718,396
Dump File Time : 10/01/2021 15:11:27
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Thanks so much for your help everyone...
 

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Martinr36

Martinr36

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Have you made sure that the RAM, graphics card etc are all properly seated, take them out and put them back in, making sure they click into place
 
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Wardalej

Member
Thanks for that. I have spent quite a while trying to work through the options. It still seems unlikely to me there is a physical problem with the hardware... Especially given the amount it is tested before it leaves the warehouse
 
ubuysa

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
That the WIndows Memeory Diagnostic detected errors means there is a RAM issue.

However, you have an AMD build and four filled RAM slots - we've had lots of problems with this configuration reported on here. Try it with just two RAM sticks and see whether it's stable. If it is then try just the other two RAM sticks. If it works on just two sticks then this is a known (firmware) issue.

There does seem to have been a BIOS update that fixed this, so check your BIOS version and date. To do that enter msinfo32 into the Run command box, about a third of the way down the display that results is your BIOS version and date. What is that?

We've had a user report having no problems with four RAM sticks (on a Ryzen 7 5800X in an Asus ROG STRIX X570-F Gaming motherboard) with an AMI BIOS version of 2812 dated 04/11/2020. Is yours earlier or later than that? (For his build there were three later updates as well; 2816, 3001 and 3202).

It would be useful to upload all the dumps to the cloud with a link to them here. Those top-level analysis that you posted is just the tip of the iceberg. These are minidumps, if there is a kernel dump in C:\Windows\Memory.dmp that will be way more useful, please upload that to the cloud (it will be large). It's very instructive for us to see how issues like this present in dumps so we can better help people in the future. :)

I'm pretty sure this is going to be another "four RAM sticks in an AMD build" issue again. If it works on just two RAM sticks call PCS and ask whether there is a BIOS update for your build. DO NOT update your BIOS without seeking authority from PCS first, doing so may invalidate your warranty.
 
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Wardalej

Member
Hi Ubuysa,

Apologies for the delayed response.

I contacted PCS yesterday. They recommended I send the PC back for them to review / fix. If I'm honest I'm not sure I got through to the most knowledgable member of the team. I thought they might be able to fix via tweaking the software / computer.

In response to your points, I think you're spot on about the AMD 4 Slot RAM Issue.. (Your comments in RED)

That the WIndows Memeory Diagnostic detected errors means there is a RAM issue. Yes, I ran a MEMTEST86 and found thousands of errors when running 4 RAMs. When I ran 3 I had hundreds of errors.When I ran just two it ran the four tests with 0 errors.

However, you have an AMD build and four filled RAM slots - we've had lots of problems with this configuration reported on here. Try it with just two RAM sticks and see whether it's stable. If it is then try just the other two RAM sticks. If it works on just two sticks then this is a known (firmware) issue. It appears this is correct. In your experience when there is a firmware issue does it need physical intervention? Or it can be fixed remotely. I'm driving the PC back to PCS Warehouse on Thursday! Can this problem be fixed at all? I'm concerned it may be missed again by the Testers

There does seem to have been a BIOS update that fixed this, so check your BIOS version and date. To do that enter msinfo32 into the Run command box, about a third of the way down the display that results is your BIOS version and date. What is that? We've had a user report having no problems with four RAM sticks (on a Ryzen 7 5800X in an Asus ROG STRIX X570-F Gaming motherboard) with an AMI BIOS version of 2812 dated 04/11/2020. Is yours earlier or later than that? (For his build there were three later updates as well; 2816, 3001 and 3202). I have the ASUS 2816 BIOS


It would be useful to upload all the dumps to the cloud with a link to them here. Those top-level analysis that you posted is just the tip of the iceberg. These are minidumps, if there is a kernel dump in C:\Windows\Memory.dmp that will be way more useful, please upload that to the cloud (it will be large). It's very instructive for us to see how issues like this present in dumps so we can better help people in the future. :) - No Problem I will upload tomorrow and post on here.

I'm pretty sure this is going to be another "four RAM sticks in an AMD build" issue again. If it works on just two RAM sticks call PCS and ask whether there is a BIOS update for your build. DO NOT update your BIOS without seeking authority from PCS first, doing so may invalidate your warranty. Yes I spoke to the PCS guy about that and I really don't think he knew what I was asking. Hopefully they'll update the BIOS and it'll cure the problem.

So I guess main question is can the 4RAM configuration ever work? Perhaps I'll buy two larger RAM sticks...

Thanks for your help
 
ubuysa

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
Wardalej said:
I contacted PCS yesterday. They recommended I send the PC back for them to review / fix. If I'm honest I'm not sure I got through to the most knowledgable member of the team. I thought they might be able to fix via tweaking the software / computer.
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When it gets to the RMA team you can be sure the really knowledgeable people will be looking at it. FWIW I reported this issue to the customer care team a couple of weeks ago and AFAIK they are investigating, so your problem shouldn't be a complete surprise to them.

Yes, I ran a MEMTEST86 and found thousands of errors when running 4 RAMs. When I ran 3 I had hundreds of errors. When I ran just two it ran the four tests with 0 errors.
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That's pretty conclusive. Make sure PCS know to do that.

In your experience when there is a firmware issue does it need physical intervention? Or it can be fixed remotely. I'm driving the PC back to PCS Warehouse on Thursday! Can this problem be fixed at all? I'm concerned it may be missed again by the Testers.
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The 'firmware' is the BIOS. If there is a BIOS update that fixes this problem then PCS will (should) install it for you.

I have the ASUS 2816 BIOS
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So that BIOS version isn't a 'universal' solution then. Pity.

No Problem I will upload tomorrow and post on here.
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Thank you!

Yes I spoke to the PCS guy about that and I really don't think he knew what I was asking. Hopefully they'll update the BIOS and it'll cure the problem.
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They have taken on some new people recently to cope with the increased volume of calls. If it is just a BIOS update that's needed then they certainly will do that for you. I'm not confident that it is that simple though....

So I guess main question is can the 4RAM configuration ever work? Perhaps I'll buy two larger RAM sticks...
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I have no way of knowing whether 4 RAM cards can be made to run at 3600MHz. I know that PCS don't (yet) do 16GB 3600MHz cards so if they can't make the four 8GB 3600MHz cards work you'll need to discuss your options with them.

Thanks for your help
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No problem at all, happy to help. I wish I could have helped more.

Do please let us know how you get on.
 
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Wardalej

Member
Gimmles said:
@Wardalej did you manage to fix the RAM issue? Did the BIOS update work? Thinking I'm having a very similar issue!
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@Gimmles No unfortunately not. I'm driving my computer up yo PCS Warehouse and leaving it with them. You might be able to try calling them and updating the BIOS system over the phone and see if that works. I think my hardware has more issued though, hence the journey.

Will let you know
 
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Wardalej

Member
@ubuysa Thanks for the reassurance and update.

Link

Finger crossed they fix it!

Will keep you updated. In the meantime if you hear of any other solutions do let me know
 
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Gimmles

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Wardalej said:
@Gimmles what's your PC Build out of interest?
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Case: COOLERMASTER MASTERBOX TD500 MESH RGB GAMING CASE
Processor: (CPU): AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 Core CPU (3.4GHz-4.9GHz/72MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard: ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM): 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card: 24GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3090 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive: 2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive: 1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply: CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Processor Cooling: Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler

Trying 2 sticks of RAM didn't work, so I'm thinking definitely a CPU issue on my part... Perhaps the beta BIOS might help also. Who knows. Lol
 
ubuysa

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
Wardalej said:
@ubuysa Thanks for the reassurance and update.

Link

Finger crossed they fix it!

Will keep you updated. In the meantime if you hear of any other solutions do let me know
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That's not a memory dump. :) It looks like the output of an sfc command...?

The memory dump files in C:\Windows\Minidumps will have names like 010121-9640-01.dmp.
The kernel dump (there's likely only one) will be called C:\Windows\Memory.dmp.
 
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