Am I over doing it for high end gaming?

[michaelronnie571]

I would like to play Star citizen without the screen freeze ( i7 first gen/ Nv 750ti currant P.c 6 yrs old ). I have been playing and streaming online games ( MWO ) on my 50 inch Oled 4K screen with no drop in frame rate ( also run my Benq monitor with twitch running at the same time with some slow down).
Please could you check my spec and comment on best way to achieve best for budget 3 - 4 k.
Thanks for taking the time, I have read some of your suggestions for other member's and am very impressed with your knowledge and commitment to the forum.
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[Oussebon]

Star Citizen is an Alpha, (which comes before Beta, which comes before the game is actually released). So nobody can make you absolute promises about performance, and that probably includes the developers.

However, you're buying the best gaming CPU and best gaming GPU available, so that's about all you can do - and obviously both are many times more powerful than your old system as you've described it

Feedback would be:
- Faster RAM - the fastest on offer
- 32gb RAM is not appropriate for gaming (16gb is the recommended / max quantity. However given Star Citizen may still be an unoptimised mess, it could be the exception to that rule...
- Why the 4TB SSD? Why mirrored RAID? What are you storing on your various drives?
- RM850x PSU, as it's even better quality
- H100x / H115 cooler as they're even more effective than the Noctua
- drop the sound card, mobo audio is fine
- swap the mobo to the AORUS Master; it's an excellent mobo and also offers a few extras like 3 M.2 slots.

 

[michaelronnie571]

Thanks for your thoughts and advice OUSSEBON, I will make recommended changes. I still like to store "stuff" I am a bit of a hoarder. Daft I know but I may have DCS sat their ( MWO and MW5 and Battlefield....and you get the picture) just because...

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[Oussebon]

Yes, but why SSDs? if it's just mass storage, then HDDs are larger, and cheaper.

So why the SSDs, and why RAID?

 

[michaelronnie571]

Yeah...Just changed the SSD's for mechanical I do like Raid, I have mirrored my hard drives for as long as it's been available. I also like to run the sound through my sound system's....so need the audio out's.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Yeah...Just changed the SSD's for mechanical I do like Raid, I have mirrored my hard drives for as long as it's been available. I also like to run the sound through my sound system's....so need the audio out's.

Motherboard audio has plenty of audio outs, that's the point, external soundcards aren't really required anymore, they're only really used for specific uses.

What audio requirements do you have?

 

[michaelronnie571]

I have a Technics 7.1 and a Logitech 7.1 for different applications...I know it's been awhile, but are their enough outputs ?

 

[michaelronnie571]

Motherboard audio has plenty of audio outs, that's the point, external soundcards aren't really required anymore, they're only really used for specific uses.

What audio requirements do you have?

Looked at the sound out and it look's plenty with the optical for one and jacks for the other...

 

[Oussebon]

Yeah...Just changed the SSD's for mechanical I do like Raid, I have mirrored my hard drives for as long as it's been available.

Mirroring is a poor backup strategy, in that if something happens to the data on your first drive, it also happens to the second one. Versioned backups on network storage might be the way to go instead.

Also, some of the savings from those SSDs could instead go into a larger M.2 SSD. 500gb will only get you so far if you like to have a lot of modern games installed - 1TB would be plenty. Though if it's literally only Star Citizen, then 500gb should do

 

[michaelronnie571]

Thanks OUSSEBON, just ahead of you their...just upgraded to a 2 TB M2. I see your point but I do do both on backups.
I am ready to go on thjs build.....
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[SpyderTracks]

Looked at the sound out and it look's plenty with the optical for one and jacks for the other...

Just to confirm, the Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Master does have 7.1 surround on the board. The Asus boards in particular have incredible sound options built in, even if you were to buy a dedicated sound card, I doubt you'd hear an improvement.

It's only when you're getting to the proper USB Audiophile grade soundcards that they improve on the mobo setups, but they cost a small fortune!

 

[Oussebon]

I'd probably buy the £5 warranty upgrade.

Maybe add an RGB strip or two. Since you have the RGB case, and RGB RAM already

 

[michaelronnie571]

S

I'd probably buy the £5 warranty upgrade.

Maybe add an RGB strip or two. Since you have the RGB case, and RGB RAM already

Sounds like a plan.....

 

[michaelronnie571]

Just to confirm, the Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Master does have 7.1 surround on the board. The Asus boards in particular have incredible sound options built in, even if you were to buy a dedicated sound card, I doubt you'd hear an improvement.

It's only when you're getting to the proper USB Audiophile grade soundcards that they improve on the mobo setups, but they cost a small fortune!

Looked at the sound out and it look's plenty with the optical for one and jacks for the other... Thanks

 

[michaelronnie571]

S

Sounds like a plan.....

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[michaelronnie571]

I am still stuck....I thank you both for your time and help...but I am still undecided. What do you think The AMD or the Intel?

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[Oussebon]

You can't post 2 totally different specs and say "which?" Well, of course you can, but you won't get sensible answers.

Because we'd not just be choosing between an Intel i9 9900k and an AMD R9 3900x, but between the different cases, the different SSDs, and all that.

I also imagine that Intel spec is a lot more expensive thanks to the extra RAM, beefier cooler, beefier PSU, larger, more expensive SSD, etc.

So ignoring everything in the specs except the CPU, the 9900k is the better performer for straight gaming. The R9 3900x could be better for gaming and streaming, especially if a game is very CPU demanding across multiple cores and/or you stream at higher settings.
I don't know how well an R9 3900x does in Star Citizen. Probably very well indeed, but you'd need someone who is quite intimately familiar with the game and happens to have one to give you an answer (and who also wasn't a raging AMD / Intel fan).

Arguably, if you have a £3000-£4000 budget, you could buy an i9 9900k spec for ~£3000 or thereabouts, and if necessary get yourself a dedicated streaming PC with the rest of the cash left over. And if the 9900k is fine for streaming for you personally and you don't need a dedicated PC for it, great!

As for the other things:
32gb RAM could be appropriate, rather than 16gb, if Star Citizen is still badly optimised and if you're willing to pay a premium to mitigate that
If it's mostly just Star Citizen you play a 2TB NVMe SSD seems excessive. A 1TB one should fit plenty of games.
I'd take the Corsair 500D any day of the week over the PCS SR-628B, which appears to have more limited airflow by its design. if you want a cheaper case than the 500D, the 460X or 570X are good choices.

 

[Scott]

That's some budget to be honest. RAID seems like a strange choice to me also, it only covers drive failure nowadays. Everything important should be stored externally anyway.

If you absolutely must go with 32GB then I would suggest 2x16GB over the 4x8GB. You would probably get a benefit from 3200Mhz RAM as well but they don't do RGB so if it's form over function then 3000 it is. I would personally go with 2x8GB and see how it goes. In all likeliness it's going to be more than enough.

I would probably stick with the 9900k as, for gaming at least, it is still the king. There's not a lot in it though so if you preferred AMD the rest of the build still fits nice.


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[michaelronnie571]

You can't post 2 totally different specs and say "which?" Well, of course you can, but you won't get sensible answers.

Because we'd not just be choosing between an Intel i9 9900k and an AMD R9 3900x, but between the different cases, the different SSDs, and all that.

I also imagine that Intel spec is a lot more expensive thanks to the extra RAM, beefier cooler, beefier PSU, larger, more expensive SSD, etc.

So ignoring everything in the specs except the CPU, the 9900k is the better performer for straight gaming. The R9 3900x could be better for gaming and streaming, especially if a game is very CPU demanding across multiple cores and/or you stream at higher settings.
I don't know how well an R9 3900x does in Star Citizen. Probably very well indeed, but you'd need someone who is quite intimately familiar with the game and happens to have one to give you an answer (and who also wasn't a raging AMD / Intel fan).

Arguably, if you have a £3000-£4000 budget, you could buy an i9 9900k spec for ~£3000 or thereabouts, and if necessary get yourself a dedicated streaming PC with the rest of the cash left over. And if the 9900k is fine for streaming for you personally and you don't need a dedicated PC for it, great!

As for the other things:
32gb RAM could be appropriate, rather than 16gb, if Star Citizen is still badly optimised and if you're willing to pay a premium to mitigate that
If it's mostly just Star Citizen you play a 2TB NVMe SSD seems excessive. A 1TB one should fit plenty of games.
I'd take the Corsair 500D any day of the week over the PCS SR-628B, which appears to have more limited airflow by its design. if you want a cheaper case than the 500D, the 460X or 570X are good choices.

Thank you again OUSSEBON, I went for the Intel i9 9900k pre built VORTEX EXTREME X1. The Ram isn't what I would choose ( faster as you recommended ) or the psu ( a bit low watt) but everything else fitted well. I can upgrade later if needed. Most of the guys I know on SC don't have many problems with their set ups that are similar ( abate the i9 ) but still it's not finish yet. For streaming content I think this build should be Ok. If not I still have my i7 to dedicate for streaming content, I get my new pc in the morning I will post on how well it runs Star Citizen for anyone who needs to know.

 

[Oussebon]

pre built VORTEX EXTREME X1

But why? The lure of getting it tomorrow? That's a shame.

Buying 32gb 2400 MHz RAM and ""upgrading"" it to 3000MHz or whatever is just wasteful versus simply buying the faster RAM outright. If you end up with the 2400MHz RAM, just stick with it. It'd be wasteful for your wallet and the environment to replace it.

With a gaming PC you upgrade (.e.g) the GPU when new stuff that didn't exist when you bought the PC comes out - that's natural. But with RAM, buying slow RAM only to replace it with faster RAM you could have bought at the outset is bonkers.

It's a powerful system and I'm sure it'll do well, it's just a shame to see such an expensive system with such an obvious flaw. I suppose PCS have to hit the price target.

Must be marketed for gamers who think an Asus Hero mobo and MOAR RAM is better than a balanced system. Marketing must work too or else they wouldn't sell it I guess.