Ülker's PC

[Ülker]

That's completely incorrect, if you're using it for gaming, you would have to upgrade the GPU, as already it will be a bottleneck immediately as it's very underpowered for most modern screens.

That would last maybe 2 years before you're not managing 60fps which is considered the absolute minimum to be classed a gaming PC.

Any gaming PC, the first bottleneck is the GPU, and any gaming PC needs a GPU upgrade first of all.

The monitor that I will be using for this GPU is 1080p and 60 Hz, and so I know it's more than enough and won't be a bottleneck.

I don't understand what you're exactly saying is going to happen from now to 2 years later where my PC is going to drop to under 60 FPS. If it can perform upto what I need for it now, there isn't gonna be a massive change where it's all of a sudden going to drop.

 

[SpyderTracks]

I don't understand what you're exactly saying is going to happen from now to 2 years later where my PC is going to drop to under 60 FPS. If it can perform upto what I need for it now, there isn't gonna be a massive change where it's all of a sudden going to drop.

As windows 10 matures, as drivers mature, as games are rewritten and new levels released (yes, even older games like Rainbow 6) you will find performance massively reduces. Think of something like WoW where they completely rewrote the graphics engine, nothing ever stays the same. What if they enable RTX on Rainbow six, are you saying you're absolutely sure you wouldn't want to experience that? It's transformed Minecraft but you need a lot of power for RTX.

Stick a 10 year old card onto a system now, it won't achieve the performance it did back then on the same games as the platform, game and drivers have progressed.

We're only concentrating on one game here, but I'm sure you'll want to be playing others and possibly even newer games that come out?

Expecting that you're only ever going to need what you're buying the PC for at this moment defeats what a gaming PC is all about and limits you massively. Invest sensibly and you'll have a much better and longer experience.

 

[Scott]

If you're purchasing this system to play a select group of games, and only that select group of games, then what you are proposing will work as planned indefinitely.

The key issue is that as games get more demanding over time, your PC will be less than adequate to run them. With the absolute bottom rung hardware being selected you have nowhere to go.

Even just a more sensible motherboard choice would make a HUGE difference to the future potential. If you got a couple of years down the line and felt you wanted more grunt, you could swap out the CPU with the latest low level version (4300X, 5300X?). This dependent on having a compatible motherboard, enough PSU headroom and having decent RAM to support.

Regardless of all of this though, if you're at the point of playing a few games that's not going to change..... buy a console. It'll do exactly that indefinitely for half the outlay.

 

[Ülker]

Passmark scores aren't going to mean anything of any value for what you're using it for.

You need to be looking at specific benchmarks:

AMD Ryzen 3 3300X vs Ryzen 3 3100 - 1080P Gaming Benchmarks - Page 4 of 8 - Legit Reviews

- Page 4 of 8 If you are a gamer on a budget and are looking at building a new gaming PC, the AMD Ryzen 3 3100 and Ryzen 3300X have likely managed to grab your attention. Which to buy?

www.legitreviews.com

The motherboard is not about being upgraded in the future, that's the whole point. You want the motherboard, CPU, RAM and PSU to be enough to be able to support all future upgrades that WILL be required. Your current setup doesn't allow for any upgradeablity whatsoever.

Your mind appears to be made up, so I'm not going to hammer on about it. But we would all advise that it's a bad purchase for a long term investment, you will want to replace the whole PC within a couple of years.

I looked at the link that you've sent me and it says:

"The AMD Ryzen 3 3100 came out with a 249 FPS average at 1080P with a minimum of 60 FPS if you round up. Very impressive scores from a processor that costs under $100!"

"When you take a look at the performance divided by the price, the AMD Ryzen 3 3100 comes in at 2.52 frames per dollar spent."
My CPU was the best one for frames / dollar.

What I'm saying is that I don't need to upgrade in the future because my current setup is all I need anyway. So there's no point of me buying a better motherboard that has the capacity for a better CPU and GPU or for more RAM.

"But we would all advise that it's a bad purchase for a long term investment, you will want to replace the whole PC within a couple of years."
Like I've previously mentioned: I don't understand what you're exactly saying is going to happen from now to 2 years later where my PC is going to drop to under 60 FPS. If it can perform upto what I need for it now, there isn't gonna be a massive change where it's all of a sudden going to drop.

 

[Ülker]

As windows 10 matures, as drivers mature, as games are rewritten and new levels released (yes, even older games like Rainbow 6) you will find performance massively reduces. Think of something like WoW where they completely rewrote the graphics engine, nothing ever stays the same. What if they enable RTX on Rainbow six, are you saying you're absolutely sure you wouldn't want to experience that? It's transformed Minecraft but you need a lot of power for RTX.

Stick a 10 year old card onto a system now, it won't achieve the performance it did back then on the same games as the platform, game and drivers have progressed.

We're only concentrating on one game here, but I'm sure you'll want to be playing others and possibly even newer games that come out?

Expecting that you're only ever going to need what you're buying the PC for at this moment defeats what a gaming PC is all about and limits you massively. Invest sensibly and you'll have a much better and longer experience.

Yeah I agree with that, it would be nice to have and experience games in RTX. However, my previous PC is more than 10 years old and a couple of weeks ago finally stopped working, so for the meantime I don't have any replacement for it and I seriously dislike the limitaitons of consoles. I could save up to purchase a better PC yes, but due to financial limitations, I'm quite limited as to what I can get for the entirety of this year and so it's worth having a PC as soon as possible for me to be able to use in the meantime.

Yes, using a 10 year old computer part nower days won't achieve the same performance as it did back then, however, I believe gaming PCs are starting to cap off where computers can only advance so much more until they're perfect. So, I believe that the difference between a PC 10 years ago to now is drastically larger as to what a PC now to 10 years later will be.

As for playing new games, I've always been someone who finds one game that they like and puts thousands of hours into it, so as for variety of games, it won't be necessary for me. That's the same reason why 256 GB of SSD is enough for me too.

 

[Scott]

I would probably look to fix your current PC to be honest. It's likely only one thing that's broken and would be very cheap to fix if it's all you need.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Yeah I agree with that, it would be nice to have and experience games in RTX. However, my previous PC is more than 10 years old and a couple of weeks ago finally stopped working, so for the meantime I don't have any replacement for it and I seriously dislike the limitaitons of consoles. I could save up to purchase a better PC yes, but due to financial limitations, I'm quite limited as to what I can get for the entirety of this year and so it's worth having a PC as soon as possible for me to be able to use in the meantime.

Yes, using a 10 year old computer part nower days won't achieve the same performance as it did back then, however, I believe gaming PCs are starting to cap off where computers can only advance so much more until they're perfect. So, I believe that the difference between a PC 10 years ago to now is drastically larger as to what a PC now to 10 years later will be.

As for playing new games, I've always been someone who finds one game that they like and puts thousands of hours into it, so as for variety of games, it won't be necessary for me. That's the same reason why 256 GB of SSD is enough for me too.

Quick suggestion then. Spec out a bulletproof platform now from here, select “I have my own graphics card” and for now, use your current graphics card? Then you can make do with that until you can afford a 1650 Super. Which is only around £140.

Or is your current GPU dead?

 

[Ülker]

I would probably look to fix your current PC to be honest. It's likely only one thing that's broken and would be very cheap to fix if it's all you need.

Quick suggestion then. Spec out a bulletproof platform now from here, select “I have my own graphics card” and for use current card? Then you can make do with that until you can afford a 1650 Super. Which is only around £140.

Or is your current GPU dead?

The old PC I am refering to is incredibly bad.

- CPU: Intel i5 2320 (Not sure if it's working/broken, but reguardless it's really slow)
- GPU: Nvidia GT 620 (I think it's broken, but even if it isn't it's really, REALLY bad)
- RAM: 8 GB DDR3 (I think it's working, but it's really slow)
- Storage: 1 TB HDD (I think it's working, but its really slow)

To even see which component is the one that has broken I'd have to send it in for an examination, which in my opinion is just a waste of time and money.

 

[SpyderTracks]

The old PC I am refering to is incredibly bad.

- CPU: Intel i5 2320 (Not sure if it's working/broken, but reguardless it's really slow)
- GPU: Nvidia GT 620 (I think it's broken, but even if it isn't it's really, REALLY bad)
- RAM: 8 GB DDR3 (I think it's working, but it's really slow)
- Storage: 1 TB HDD (I think it's working, but its really slow)

To even see which component is the one that has broken I'd have to send it in for an examination, which in my opinion is just a waste of time and money.

The other option is again to spec a bulletproof platform, and add a GT1030 now which should net you over 50fps.

Then again, upgrade the GPU as and when you need to.

 

[Ülker]

The other option is again to spec a bulletproof platform, and add a GT1030 now which should net you over 50fps.

Then again, upgrade the GPU as and when you need to.

I don't know, I think it's counter productive to save the £49.00 from downgrading the GPU to work on other components as my PC will be bottlenecked the entire time I will be using it until I upgrade the GPU. I'd much rather just stick to the specs I've already chosen.

 

[SpyderTracks]

I don't know, I think it's counter productive to save the £49.00 from downgrading the GPU to work on other components as my PC will be bottlenecked the entire time I will be using it until I upgrade the GPU. I'd much rather just stick to the specs I've already chosen.

You understand that you’ll be completely stuck with the build? It’s your money. It just seems a real waste of what could be a great system.

 

[Ülker]

You understand that you’ll be completely stuck with the build? It’s your money. It just seems a real waste of what could be a great system.

Again, for me it's not worth the hassle of having to wait potentially an entire year with a low end graphics card just so that I can get a better motherboard now for the future, instead when I already plan on sticking to the same specs I already have now. You have to realise I've never even experienced 60 FPS whilst playing any game ever due to how bad my old PC was, so I think I'll be more than happy to miss out on an RTX than to wait even longer than I already have been without being able to play games at a high quality.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Again, for me it's not worth the hassle of having to wait potentially an entire year with a low end graphics card just so that I can get a better motherboard now for the future, instead when I already plan on sticking to the same specs I already have now. You have to realise I've never even experienced 60 FPS whilst playing any game ever due to how bad my old PC was, so I think I'll be more than happy to miss out on an RTX than to wait even longer than I already have been without being able to play games at a high quality.

I don’t think you understand what you’re doing by choosing that build, but I’m not going to keep on about it. It’s a real shame though. I think in two years you’ll be kicking yourself when you have to buy a whole new computer.

 

[keithbeaks]

Again, for me it's not worth the hassle of having to wait potentially an entire year with a low end graphics card just so that I can get a better motherboard now for the future, instead when I already plan on sticking to the same specs I already have now. You have to realise I've never even experienced 60 FPS whilst playing any game ever due to how bad my old PC was, so I think I'll be more than happy to miss out on an RTX than to wait even longer than I already have been without being able to play games at a high quality.

It's not just motherboard, it was nearly everything right? I remember when the ps3 came out and I couldn't afford it, but I didn't buy a ps2. I think I did wait over a year and then bought one, they were better then with a new design I think. Maybe not the best analogy, but it's not that far off.

Have you played any of the newer games? Warzone is great and free as are plenty of other top shooters right now. I think most people could spend thousands of hours playing warzone. A PS4 must be pretty cheap at the moment with ps5 out for Xmas.

 

[Ülker]

I don’t think you understand what you’re doing by choosing that build, but I’m not going to keep on about it. It’s a real shame though. I think in two years you’ll be kicking yourself when you have to buy a whole new computer.

I fully well understand what I'm doing with my build thanks. Linus himself, an 11m subscribed YouTuber, only 6 days ago built the exact same computer listing it as the best $500.00 PC that money can buy and I think he knows a *bit* more than you do.

I don't need to waste my money on better parts when I won't need it whatsoever. Oh and about this 2 years thing you keep going on about, I've said it like a 4 times already but here it is again:

"I don't understand what you're exactly saying is going to happen from now to 2 years later where my PC is going to drop to under 60 FPS. If it can perform upto what I need for it now, there isn't gonna be a massive change where it's all of a sudden going to drop."

Games haven't changed all that much since the last 2 years and unless there's some "gaming revolution" I don't think it's going to be that drastically different. You seem to think that my PC will go from fine now to practically unusable in 2 years which makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Ülker]

It's not just motherboard, it was nearly everything right? I remember when the ps3 came out and I couldn't afford it, but I didn't buy a ps2. I think I did wait over a year and then bought one, they were better then with a new design I think. Maybe not the best analogy, but it's not that far off.

Have you played any of the newer games? Warzone is great and free as are plenty of other top shooters right now. I think most people could spend thousands of hours playing warzone. A PS4 must be pretty cheap at the moment with ps5 out for Xmas.

Right, but like I said, I don't actually want a console. It's like I asked for advice on a PC and you gave me advice on a fridge...

Consoles are extremely limited in what they can actually do, all of my friends are on the PC, all the games I've ever purchased are on the PC, I don't like using a controller, I don't care about the "newest games" and most importantly: I DON'T ACTUALLY WANT A CONSOLE.

I have my select few games which I enjoy playing with my friends, I'm not going to switch to an entire different platform to play games which I wasn't planning on playing in the first place all for the purpose on "saving" some money for a better PC when the one I have already purchased is more than capable.

 

[Scott]

I don't think this thread needs to go any further to be honest. You aren't looking for advice, you're looking for people to agree with your decision making and reasoning. You aren't going to find it.

Your entire reasoning is based on nothing changing, if that was the case then your current system would be absolutely fine if you repaired it because nothing has changed since you built it (your logic, not mine). Your description of it being "slow" begs to differ but there's absolutely no point in arguing with you.

Linus is building a sub $500 system and showing it can be done, he wouldn't actually recommend it to anyone though.... he is just showing what is possible. I can tape wings on my arms and call myself a plane but I'm not going to be flying people to Tenerife for their holidays, it's just not how it works.

$500 = Extreme low end system with no future that WILL play current games at low settings.
$800 = Budget system with a reasonable future that WILL play current games medium settings.

You want option one, that's absolutely fine. We may even see you back here in a few years looking to start from scratch with another $500+ inflation to replace the system. As long as you are satisfied with your purchase there's no reason we won't be happy for you