Ülker's PC

[Ülker]

Case
PCS P209 RGB MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 3 3100 Quad Core CPU (3.6GHz-3.9GHz/18MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME A320M-K: Micro-ATX, AM4, USB 3.0, 6GB/s
Memory (RAM)
8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2400MHz (1 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1650 - HDMI
1st Storage Drive
256GB PCS 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (500MB/R, 400MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 350W VS SERIES™ VS-350 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 18 to 20 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book - United Kingdom & Republic of Ireland
Logo Branding
PCSpecialist Logo

 

[Ülker]

- Maximum budget is not much more than I've already spent to be honest, so £550.

- Monitor is a HP 2011x 1080p 60 Hz.

- Use is for gaming at 60+ FPS on 1080p resolution and medium graphics settings.

 

[keithbeaks]

- Maximum budget is not much more than I've already spent to be honest, so £550.

- Monitor is a HP 2011x 1080p 60 Hz.

- Use is for gaming at 60+ FPS on 1080p resolution and medium graphics settings.

I'm not sure it's possible to build a gaming PC for £550. The experts on here say £800 is lowest.

 

[Ülker]

I'm not sure it's possible to build a gaming PC for £550. The experts on here say £800 is lowest.

The specs I have listed above are the ones which I have already bought for £534.00.

From the benchmark videos I have seen of the same CPU and GPU, I will be able to run most games at 60+ FPS with 1080p resolution and medium graphics settings.

 

[keithbeaks]

I'm just passing on what I've read on here a few times.

The advice is often buy a console or wait and save the extra £250 to get a much better PC that will last you a lot longer. You can cancel your order.

 

[keithbeaks]

The specs I have listed above are the ones which I have already bought for £534.00.

From the benchmark videos I have seen of the same CPU and GPU, I will be able to run most games at 60+ FPS with 1080p resolution and medium graphics settings.

Can you wait another few months or early next year and up your budget by then? I'm not prying, just passing on what I've read.

The next generation of GPU's are out soon, which will make the current 2000 series cheaper you would assume?

The 3300x chip is great for gaming but currently out of stock with many retailers but is considered a great CPU for entry systems.

So you could end up with a much better system to see you through a good few years and more I don't think your current one will and you'll need to buy a whole new system soon enough.

Give it a think and maybe others with much more knowledge will be able to give you better advice as well.

 

[SpyderTracks]

just hope you don't find yourself needing to buy another system in 6-12 months because the games won't run well enough

Which is I’m afraid what would happen, the system as configured is heavily sacrificing the core components which means you haven’t got a platform to upgrade on.

When we configure a basic spec, it’s aimed so that the core will last 7 - 10 years without needing upgrades, and with room for gpu upgrades which will be required during the lifetime of that build.

When we say “a console would be better” it’s because the experience and longevity of the system would be beaten by a console.

There’s no point having a gaming PC for a tiny lifecycle of poor experience, it completely defeats the point of getting one.

 

[Ülker]

Well what would you recommend instead?

The AMD CPU I've already selected is miles ahead of its value, with a benchmark rating of 11,878.

The Nvidia GPU I've selected is very good aswell, being able to run even the newest games with 1080p and medium/high graphics settings at 60+ FPS comfortably.

Coincidentally, Linus made a video the other day building the best $500 PC that money can buy and literally every component he used was identical to mine. The only difference he had was that his Nvidia GPU was the SUPER version of mine, achieving a benchmark rating of 2000 more.

I just don't see what spending £250 more on better parts will achieve for me if I won't ever be able to make use of them. Besides, I think games are starting to come to the point where they're getting capped at how good quality they are, so computers don't need to be as advanced in preparation for the future as they used to be.

In my opinion, as long as I take care of this PC, which I will, then there's nothing stopping it from lasting as long as 8-10 years just like any other PC.

 

[SpyderTracks]

In my opinion, as long as I take care of this PC, which I will, then there's nothing stopping it from lasting as long as 8-10 years just like any other PC.

What are these "bechmark scores" you keep referencing? That doesn't mean anything, which benchmark, or where are you getting the scores? I'm willing to bet userbenchmark?

There's no upgrade path in it, you'd have to swap out the whole PC, that's the whole point.

It's a very poor purchase. It will do what you want for like a year or maybe 2 and that's it, you won't be able to do anything with it but completely swap it out.

 

[keithbeaks]

Well what would you recommend instead?

The AMD CPU I've already selected is miles ahead of its value, with a benchmark rating of 11,878.

The Nvidia GPU I've selected is very good aswell, being able to run even the newest games with 1080p and medium/high graphics settings at 60+ FPS comfortably.

Coincidentally, Linus made a video the other day building the best $500 PC that money can buy and literally every component he used was identical to mine. The only difference he had was that his Nvidia GPU was the SUPER version of mine, achieving a benchmark rating of 2000 more.

I just don't see what spending £250 more on better parts will achieve for me if I won't ever be able to make use of them. Besides, I think games are starting to come to the point where they're getting capped at how good quality they are, so computers don't need to be as advanced in preparation for the future as they used to be.

In my opinion, as long as I take care of this PC, which I will, then there's nothing stopping it from lasting as long as 8-10 years just like any other PC.

How about this?


Case
FRACTAL FOCUS G BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Six Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.2GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1650 SUPER - HDMI
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 450W CV SERIES™ CV-450 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 18 to 20 working days
Price: £882.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/jG5XJdPrtz/

You can choose the 3300x CPU when its back in stock and save £52

 

[keithbeaks]

What are these "bechmark scores" you keep referencing? That doesn't mean anything, which benchmark, or where are you getting the scores? I'm willing to bet userbenchmark?

There's no upgrade path in it, you'd have to swap out the whole PC, that's the whole point.

It's a very poor purchase. It will do what you want for like a year or maybe 2 and that's it, you won't be able to do anything with it but completely swap it out.

If we try to look at this another way, the system I posted above would last five years? Extra storage isn't much and a 2000 series GPU could be picked up fairly cheaply in 6-12 months for an upgrade in that department.

So then the cost per year of use is much, much better. Could possibly be more than double

 

[Ülker]

What are these "bechmark scores" you keep referencing? That doesn't mean anything, which benchmark, or where are you getting the scores? I'm willing to bet userbenchmark?

There's no upgrade path in it, you'd have to swap out the whole PC, that's the whole point.

It's a very poor purchase. It will do what you want for like a year or maybe 2 and that's it, you won't be able to do anything with it but completely swap it out.

No it's from Passmark.

The point I'm trying to make is that there isn't a need to upgrade it or swap it out as it will fulfil my needs now as it does even 10 years later.

 

[keithbeaks]

Im no expert, but dont most PC's struggle to last ten years? Because technology advances so much right?

Next generation GPU's and CPU's are not far away, and then game makers will slowly start to incorporate that tech into their new games over the next few years?

 

[WhiskyMac]

You may be able to just about manage but it would depend on the game...games like Call Of Duty which have lots of explosions etc you are likely to struggle. Problem is that new games coming out you may not be able to play at all as GPU demands become higher and the platform you have chosen isn't really upgradable. But it's up to you...just hope you don't find yourself needing to buy another system in 6-12 months because the games won't run well enough

At the moment he wouldn't even be able to download COD MW let alone worry about graphics etc - its 212GB - with windows etc there's not enough storage for games there really.

Another one where buying a console makes more sense for the money vs longevity etc.

 

[SpyderTracks]

No it's from Passmark.

The point I'm trying to make is that there isn't a need to upgrade it or swap it out as it will fulfil my needs now as it does even 10 years later.

That's completely incorrect, if you're using it for gaming, you would have to upgrade the GPU, as already it will be a bottleneck immediately as it's very underpowered for most modern screens.

That would last maybe 2 years before you're not managing 60fps which is considered the absolute minimum to be classed a gaming PC.

Any gaming PC, the first bottleneck is the GPU, and any gaming PC needs a GPU upgrade first of all.

 

[Ülker]

How about this?


Case
FRACTAL FOCUS G BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Six Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.2GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1650 SUPER - HDMI
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 450W CV SERIES™ CV-450 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 18 to 20 working days
Price: £882.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/jG5XJdPrtz/

You can choose the 3300x CPU when its back in stock and save £52

The build you've sent me costs £348 more for:

- CPU rating of only 1000 more which won't make much of a difference.
- Motherboard with more capacity which won't be necessary as I don't need more RAM slots or USB ports.
- 8 GB more RAM which won't be necessary for my existing CPU and GPU.
- The SUPER version of my GPU, which I admit might actually be worth the upgrade.
- M.2 SSD which I won't need as standard SSDs are already quick enough.
- 256 GB more of the SSD which I won't need.

To me it doesn't seem to be worth the additional money for such a little gain, except for the GPU upgrade to SUPER, which I am now considering. I just don't understand how such a little upgrade would add so many years of lifespan.

 

[Ülker]

At the moment he wouldn't even be able to download COD MW let alone worry about graphics etc - its 212GB - with windows etc there's not enough storage for games there really.

Another one where buying a console makes more sense for the money vs longevity etc.

That's the thing: I'm not going to purchase or download COD MW. The most demanding game I'll ever be running will be Rainbow Six Siege.

 

[keithbeaks]

The build you've sent me costs £348 more for:

- CPU rating of only 1000 more which won't make much of a difference.
- Motherboard with more capacity which won't be necessary as I don't need more RAM slots or USB ports.
- 8 GB more RAM which won't be necessary for my existing CPU and GPU.
- The SUPER version of my GPU, which I admit might actually be worth the upgrade.
- M.2 SSD which I won't need as standard SSDs are already quick enough.
- 256 GB more of the SSD which I won't need.

To me it doesn't seem to be worth the additional money for such a little gain, except for the GPU upgrade to SUPER, which I am now considering. I just don't understand how such a little upgrade would add so many years of lifespan.

Well yes the 3300x would be the desired CPU.

Your mother board is very old? This is allows for future upgrades, is yours even compatible?

Your ram is slow, at least up the speed to 3200

The GPU is the smallest change I've made I think?

M2 drives are much faster and your storage is low, but you can add extra storage easily.

 

[Ülker]

Well yes the 3300x would be the desired CPU.

Your mother board is very old? This is allows for future upgrades, is yours even compatible?

Your ram is slow, at least up the speed to 3200

The GPU is the smallest change I've made I think?

M2 drives are much faster and your storage is low, but you can add extra storage easily.

I think the last thing you want to improve on is the GPU.

The Ryzen 3 3300x is the one that has the benchmark rating of only 1000 more, not much of a difference.

The motherboard is good enough to the point where it can handle my current setup. Like I said, I'm not looking to upgrade anytime as this setup is enough for me.

For the RAM, maybe. I'll consider this.

M.2 SSD can be faster I don't mind, the speed of current SSDs are already quick enough for me.

The 256 GB of storage is more than enough for me as I won't have more than 100 GB of games installed at one point, but like you said, if I ever need to I can always add more.

It's not you who said this but rather others who're saying that my current GPU is going to be a bottleneck.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Passmark scores aren't going to mean anything of any value for what you're using it for.

You need to be looking at specific benchmarks:

AMD Ryzen 3 3300X vs Ryzen 3 3100 - 1080P Gaming Benchmarks - Page 4 of 8 - Legit Reviews

- Page 4 of 8 If you are a gamer on a budget and are looking at building a new gaming PC, the AMD Ryzen 3 3100 and Ryzen 3300X have likely managed to grab your attention. Which to buy?

www.legitreviews.com

The motherboard is not about being upgraded in the future, that's the whole point. You want the motherboard, CPU, RAM and PSU to be enough to be able to support all future upgrades that WILL be required. Your current setup doesn't allow for any upgradeablity whatsoever.

Your mind appears to be made up, so I'm not going to hammer on about it. But we would all advise that it's a bad purchase for a long term investment, you will want to replace the whole PC within a couple of years.