World Of Warcraft Expansion Pack 2012?

[UndeadJack]

Don't you think there will be another expansion pack as the patching has been going very speedily as they are at the end of their patch cycle already already, plus what of all the Mists of Pandaria information going around. I think they will release another continent as Cataclysm lacked one (if you don't count deepholme)

 

[DeadEyeDuk]

I think you're best off reading MMOChampion in regards to this.

Anything at present is speculation, but with the 4.3 being the last major patch (pretty sure there is Blue post somewhere about that), 2012 will def see the next expansion, but no one knows when in the year

 

[MeveM]

No extra continent? They remade 60-70% of the current content for Cataclysm. Every single quest from 1-60 has been changed, with more areas added for 80-85, which is the same amount of areas there would've been in Outlands and Northrend. You could not enter Twilight Highlands, Mount hyjal, Vash'jir, Deepholme, the desert place (name escapes me). That's 5 new areas plus all previous areas remade, Outlands had 6, northrend had 7-8.

As for 2012 expansion, most likely, since they seem very eager to rush out Deathwing already.

The pandaren expansion will probably come out around about the same time as either Guild Wars 2 or some other MMO in 2012, that's always been Blizzards strategy, get big content patches and expansions at the same time as rival MMO's get released. Too bad for Blizzard that SWTOR are smart enough not to release a date eh?

 

[Dayve]

Pff, who cares. SWTOR and GW2 are coming out. The old and tired must make way for the young and energetic.

 

[BirKy]

Pff, who cares. SWTOR and GW2 are coming out. The old and tired must make way for the young and energetic.

I must admit, Playing WoW since vanilla i'm just aching for something to come out and blow it away. Had high hopes for Rift but it wasn't to be! I seem to go home log in, fly in a circle, for half an hour then get bored and log off! Hoping i can try some other games decently when my new rig comes!

 

[UndeadJack]

No extra continent? They remade 60-70% of the current content for Cataclysm. Every single quest from 1-60 has been changed, with more areas added for 80-85, which is the same amount of areas there would've been in Outlands and Northrend. You could not enter Twilight Highlands, Mount hyjal, Vash'jir, Deepholme, the desert place (name escapes me). That's 5 new areas plus all previous areas remade, Outlands had 6, northrend had 7-8.

As for 2012 expansion, most likely, since they seem very eager to rush out Deathwing already.

The pandaren expansion will probably come out around about the same time as either Guild Wars 2 or some other MMO in 2012, that's always been Blizzards strategy, get big content patches and expansions at the same time as rival MMO's get released. Too bad for Blizzard that SWTOR are smart enough not to release a date eh?

Well they redid a lot of the stuff in BC and WotLK making old quests pointless (many) Plus most of the redone content doesn't matter to me as I play my level 85 Retadin BE. Raids are fun Would you count DH as a continent?

A couple of those areas were initially going to be added in WotLK but they were to busy. I remember something said a couple years ago. Can't remember which areas but it was 1 or 2 of those areas.

 

[DeadEyeDuk]

Plus most of the redone content doesn't matter to me as I play my level 85 Retadin BE

Alts my dear boy

And I wouldnt have expected you to play anything else

 

[Dayve]

I must admit, Playing WoW since vanilla i'm just aching for something to come out and blow it away. Had high hopes for Rift but it wasn't to be! I seem to go home log in, fly in a circle, for half an hour then get bored and log off! Hoping i can try some other games decently when my new rig comes!

That's pretty much how it ended for me 4 or 5 months after WotLK was released. In an MMO when you find you have to force yourself to log on it's time to quit, if not for good then at least for a good while. I used to force myself to log on for 30 minutes to mine and make jewels for the guild bank. The thought of doing an instance or daily quests made me feel sick. Took me more than 3 years to reach this point.

Though I have to say it had nothing to do with the time I had been playing but the game at this point just felt... I don't know, gimmicky. It was unrecognizable to the game it was early in 2006 when I started playing when everything was a challenge. Now, everything was just completely straight forward. Like leveling for example, I used to love reading the quest text and following each individual story for each individual quest. In vanilla WoW it took me something like 5 months to reach max level. In BC it took me around 2 months. In WotLK it took a little less than 1 week and the end game instances had no character or replayability, I never wanted to go back to them after the first time like I did with Blackrock Depths in the old days, they were just boring and lacking in personality.

Same thing happened in EVE Online after only 4 months of playing. I worked out that if I did 3 level 4 missions per day I would be able to earn enough credits to pay for the monthly subscription with them rather than with real money. I then found myself staring at the login screen thinking "Ah... I'll do them later". Then later came and it was "Ah... I'll give it a miss tonight and do 6 tomorrow". And so on. That's when it hit me... time to uninstall, lol.

 

[DeadEyeDuk]

Its all personal experience of course, but whenever someone talks about "WoW feeling old" etc...I always think about any other game (or type of game) that I have played for 1 year, let alone 6!

FPSs/RPGs/RTSs...they all get sequels, different games in their own right.

With MMOs, and very specifically WoW, they cant really win, because it cant be the same game as in 2006, or theyd be accused of not doing anything, and it cant be too different or it wouldnt be WoW...

If you quit in Wrath Dayve, I would actually get a month sub (or get a resurrection scroll or whatever they are called) and give Cata a try. If nothing else at least it would give you a chance to completely make your mind up

End of the day, they make A LOT of money from people playing WoW, so while the millions keep paying, it cant be that bad

 

[MeveM]

Well they redid a lot of the stuff in BC and WotLK making old quests pointless (many) Plus most of the redone content doesn't matter to me as I play my level 85 Retadin BE. Raids are fun Would you count DH as a continent?

A couple of those areas were initially going to be added in WotLK but they were to busy. I remember something said a couple years ago. Can't remember which areas but it was 1 or 2 of those areas.

Well, They were supposed to have done a great many things. Emerald Dream was supposed to be the first expansion, then it was supposed to be the second, and now it's not even the fourth.

But anyway, SWTOR and GW2 are indeed coming out in the next 6 months, can't wait, as for the old and tired making room for the young and energetic? You do realise Star Wars fans are not kiddos like WoW players SWTOR will be a new and energetic game, with a old and knackered player base, and I couldn't be happier.

I don't think WoW has gotten any worse over the years, I think the people like myself who believe wow to be crap now is because we are 6 years older, the game isn't. The game is still catering to the same people, we grew, the game did not age along with us.

I think WoW is a great game, I just can't stand it anymore, but that doesn't make the game bad. I hate it when new MMO's go out thinking they'll smash WoW and take their subscribers, Love the fact that SWTOR has NOT gone out with that mindset, I think that's what sets them apart. I don't think Actiblizzion themselves will be able to bring down WoW with their new MMO.
They'll face the same problem all new MMO's have, it's not WoW. WoW has a feel to it, and it cannot be copied.
One good example of this is Counter Strike. Counter Strike Source was supposed to be a updated graphic version of CS, but the feel of the game is completely different, making it a different game, not a updated one. Believe there's still more people playing CS then CS:S, might've changed over the last few years, but it got bollocked when it was released, CS players stuck to CS, and new players who did not play CS, started playing CS:S.

Point is, Actiblizzion have made a monster, they made a game that cannot be copied, not even by themselves, it'll be a different game and they will not have any advantage over any other MMO when their new MMO is released, infact, I think it'll flop.

SWTOR however is the only proper Sci-fi MMO out there, which appeals to fantasy fans and sci-fi both (Not including EVE here because yes it's a MMO, but not the same type of MMO.). I expect SWTOR to be massive, but I still don't think it'll bring down WoW. No MMO will, it'll die by itself from age.

Btw, some WoW servers are almost abandoned, but Actiblizzion refuses to merge the small servers, why? Because it'd hit the news. "WoW merging servers!" it'll cause a panic, only failing games merge servers, and instead of thinking about the players on those small servers, they'd rather not hit the news.

 

[DeadEyeDuk]

Btw, some WoW servers are almost abandoned, but Actiblizzion refuses to merge the small servers, why? Because it'd hit the news. "WoW merging servers!" it'll cause a panic, only failing games merge servers, and instead of thinking about the players on those small servers, they'd rather not hit the news.

Do not forget, the little company that once made one of the single greatest games of all time (Lost Vikings/2) also knows how to make money.

You're on a dead server? Pay us some money and you can server transfer to a busier server

And all credit to them to be honest...people pay, they'll charge

 

[MeveM]

Either way, I've unsubbed from WoW, did it yesterday and gone back to a bit of RIFT, gives me a bit of a change, and then when SWTOR is out, I'll pop there ^^. In WoW I just ended up flying around in circles, and raids felt like a 2nd job. PvP is just not for me anymore.

Besides, it's only a few weeks until BF3 is out, then it's another few weeks until Skyrim, and then it's SWTOR. I don't need wow to fill the gaps between all these new awesome games anymore. RIFT can fill those gaps, and then full time SWTOR when it's released ^^ Got it all planned

 

[shallfull]

Seems blizzard has it's hooks in me!
Just had to re-subscribe once hearing about the rogue legendary in 4.3 haha. (Been a rogue since launch! Plus, could easily be fake - but if not I'd love another one since having glaives back in BC.) took a break after we finally killed heroic rag a couple weeks ago.

 

[Dayve]

Well, They were supposed to have done a great many things. Emerald Dream was supposed to be the first expansion, then it was supposed to be the second, and now it's not even the fourth.

But anyway, SWTOR and GW2 are indeed coming out in the next 6 months, can't wait, as for the old and tired making room for the young and energetic? You do realise Star Wars fans are not kiddos like WoW players SWTOR will be a new and energetic game, with a old and knackered player base, and I couldn't be happier.

I don't think WoW has gotten any worse over the years, I think the people like myself who believe wow to be crap now is because we are 6 years older, the game isn't. The game is still catering to the same people, we grew, the game did not age along with us.

I think WoW is a great game, I just can't stand it anymore, but that doesn't make the game bad. I hate it when new MMO's go out thinking they'll smash WoW and take their subscribers, Love the fact that SWTOR has NOT gone out with that mindset, I think that's what sets them apart. I don't think Actiblizzion themselves will be able to bring down WoW with their new MMO.
They'll face the same problem all new MMO's have, it's not WoW. WoW has a feel to it, and it cannot be copied.
One good example of this is Counter Strike. Counter Strike Source was supposed to be a updated graphic version of CS, but the feel of the game is completely different, making it a different game, not a updated one. Believe there's still more people playing CS then CS:S, might've changed over the last few years, but it got bollocked when it was released, CS players stuck to CS, and new players who did not play CS, started playing CS:S.

Point is, Actiblizzion have made a monster, they made a game that cannot be copied, not even by themselves, it'll be a different game and they will not have any advantage over any other MMO when their new MMO is released, infact, I think it'll flop.

SWTOR however is the only proper Sci-fi MMO out there, which appeals to fantasy fans and sci-fi both (Not including EVE here because yes it's a MMO, but not the same type of MMO.). I expect SWTOR to be massive, but I still don't think it'll bring down WoW. No MMO will, it'll die by itself from age.

Btw, some WoW servers are almost abandoned, but Actiblizzion refuses to merge the small servers, why? Because it'd hit the news. "WoW merging servers!" it'll cause a panic, only failing games merge servers, and instead of thinking about the players on those small servers, they'd rather not hit the news.

I don't think it has anything to do with the game staying the same but us growing up at all, I think it's that the game simply was made easier and aimed almost entirely at the casual player whereas vanilla, while casual people could and did play, was more geared toward the hardcore player. I liked that it took a long time to level up, that the end game raids and instances were real hard and that flying mounts didn't exist. After flying mounts the world felt empty to me, even on populated servers. Sure in a city there were big crowds but out in the world people could just fly right to where they needed to be and drop right on top of it. 99% of a province was unused, just the quest areas. Felt dead. Also spontaneous PvP was pretty much killed, no longer would you run in to horde/alliance travelling along a road on a horse, they were miles up in the air flying over mountains.

All my old WoW guild people are coming back to the TeamSpeak server one by one talking about SWTOR. They've all quit WoW, some before I did and some after. All of us agree on one thing though... if Blizzard released a properly maintained (as opposed to these crappy private ones) server with just vanilla WoW on it, no BC/WotLK/Cata and with EXP rates, mob difficulty and so forth the same as they were in 2004, 5 and 6, we'd all pay full monthly subscription price for that, but none of us will even consider for a second going back to WoW how it is now.

 

[MeveM]

Yeah, I do agree Vanilla was great, love the feel of the game, but I think raiding was at it's peak in TBC. Like Vanilla, you had to work your way up. There was none of this "Hit max level, do heroics, top raid."
TBC was great, you hit 70, you do normal 70 dungeons since heroics were too hard, you then did heroics, followed by Karazhan, then SSC, TK, MH, BT. (Sunwell and their dailies ruined it a bit, since you could get BT quality items)

But yes, I do agree it was better before wotlk, but that's just our personal preferences. I just can't wait for SWTOR, that's all I know ^^.

Also, I'm one of the few people who hate cross server PvP and instances, looking for a group manually gives you a better group, more personalized, people actually speak, and they certainly don't ninja loot, they'd never be welcome in a group ever again. Plus, you will play with the same people again, even if its a pug, you might become mates, cross server prevents that.

 

[BirKy]

I don't mind the game, had some good times there, its just lost the magic over the years, TBC was the high point for me and parts of vanilla where you really had to work for things. Even finding a group to do a heroic in the trade channel etc was more fun. Simplified for the masses brought a load of players in with no clue and the amount of abuse in game now is disgusting. But i guess you get that in any game now. 5 years for me now and im not getting excited by any of the new patches or bosses or gear etc its kinda turned into a glorified MSN for me to talk to a few mates! so i think ill try SWTOR or GW2 (original GW was where i started in MMO'S) but with BF3 and Skyrim comming out soon i think ill be able to fill the WoW gap and save myself 9 quid a month heh I might log in to check deathwing out once hes been downed a few times by my guild!

 

[Barnaby89]

Yeah, Vanilla really made you work for things...and in the same way, you felt you good that you had accomplished something. It all just seems to come too easy since WoTLK.

Do not forget, the little company that once made one of the single greatest games of all time (Lost Vikings/2) also knows how to make money.

I just had to google that because it rang a bell, my cousin had that game and I used to love it when I stayed over his

 

[MeveM]

I just think they made a massive mistake with killing off Arthas/Lich King so early, he's the most known, and in many peoples eyes, the main bad guy. It's only people who read up on the lore who would know about Sargeras for example, so to go from someone as big as the Lich King, to a knob like Deathwing doesn't make any sence, it's a bit of a anti-climax, still think they should've gone with the emerald dream and the corruption in there before wotlk, or Azshara, who's gonna be the bad guy in the pandaren expansion? I'm guessing some unknown old god, which again the lich king takes a higher spot from, there's just no achievement in it anymore, I mean, Ragnaros? Again? Really? And Nefarion/Onyxia? Onyxia is now the 3rd bloody time we've seen her. Wotlk, Naxx remade? I bet the Pandaren boss will be Illidan reborn or something, get some stupid excuse to bring him back so the new people get to fight him.

WoW and Actiblizzion is a bit like paying road tax, you pay for something you never get anything out of, and never, ever see where your money goes.

 

[DeadEyeDuk]

Its one reason why even if I get annoyed with WoW, I stick by Blizz (Plus Erik, Baleog and Olaf are in WoW, soooooo )

 

[DeadEyeDuk]

I have to disagree Jo Arthas was the main villain in WCIII/TFT...Deathwing was the Big Bad before him, and before that yes you do have things that are in Lore rather than a previous game.

You can also look at it from the other way. If Arthas was still alive now, you would have an equal number of people moaning that "OMG CAN WE KILL HIM ALREADY!? THIS IS GETTING BORING!".

The game has to move on, and end of the day, it's their game, they can do what they like, and i'll say again, with so many subscribers still, not everyone thinks its gone downhill since TBC (TBC is now subject to the same rose tinted goggles that we all viewed Vanilla with for so long - There was so much wrong with it, like an expansion, depending on personal preference of course!)