Whats the point of the 2070 Max-Q?

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superswirl

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Looking at the available new line-up of RTX laptops and the first numbers coming on the web the 2070 MQ seems to perform the same if not slower than the RTX 2060...?

I was going to opt for the 2070 MQ in the Recoil 2 but now I don't see the point of spending the £200ish for no increase in performance. ( I thought I could justify it for gaming on a 1440p monitor because of the extra 2GB of Vram). Actually HardwareUnboxed have shown that the 6GB of the 2060 is enough for 1440p gaming as of today.

That is making me lean towards a Recoil 2 with an RTX 2060 or the Proteus RTX 2070 "full fat" version which at least has some noticeable gains with its higher TDP. In this config the 2070 is roughly on par with a GTX 1080 laptop version.

Its a matter of deciding between thinner and better looking Recoil 2 with less performance or thicker laptop, average screen, not so good looking (imo) BUT much improved GPU performance with the Proteus .....

Though one...
 
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G0975

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I believe that the main selling point is that they're designed to fit ultra slim chassis without throttling issues and provide a true portable gaming experience (for the couple of hours that the battery lasts). They'll be very popular in 15.6" gaming laptops.

Saying that and looking at your options, is 15.6" mandatory? Having reviewed your situation, did you know that you could get your perfect machine if you go for a 17.3" Recoil II RTX. It supports the "full fat" RTX 2070 and features everything you favor bar being 400g heavier. Which imho is a brilliant trade off when you consider you're naturally getting a much better gaming experience with the bigger display, putting it to good use.

I'm not knocking any marketing schemes, but do not buy into this whole "portability" gimmick when it comes to gaming laptops. 2.5kg is extremely light and not a chore at all to carry around. I've had a 4kg laptop + 500g battery pack in my 17.3" laptop bag for the past 3 years and it leaves the house with me pretty much every single working day!

I hope this helps.
 
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superswirl

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Hey,

Thanks for the input! Yeah I totally was considering the Recoil 2 17inch as well for its support of the Full Fat 2070 but I've owned 17 inch laptops before but I've always preferred the 15.6 inch laptops, I'm not sure why, they just feel right, they "fit" everywhere I go, Its that sweetspot for me that I appreciate. Also I was spoiled with the Asus Scar and its 1070 full fat performance. That was a thin laptop to me considering it packed that lovely desktop grade perf of the 1070. Pascal was just so damn great in laptops...

The 12nm process this time around is just not enough to alleviate the extra RT cores, we have much bigger dies this time around hence why the Max-Q clocks are so heavily butchered...

That being said the Recoil 2 17inch with its small bezels isnt that much bulkier than the Proteus and older 15 inch gaming laptop were probably bigger than this thing..

As always its a compromise... if only the 2070 MQ performed a little better I wouldnt mind so much, maybe I should just save the cash and get the Recoil 2 15 with the 2060, I just liked the idea of having the extra (theoretical) grunt and Vram of the 2070 MQ for 1440p gaming when at home...

From the little data I've managed to gather the 2070 MQ is somewhere between the 1070 MQ and 1070 Full Fat laptop...

Defo Meh. 2060 might just make more sense this gen... but I'll see if I can convince myself to go with the bigger Recoil 2 17, GTX 1080 level of performance does certainly make it an attractive option
 
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bibolcm

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Yeah I was trying to figure that too.. But there is not to much info yet. But looks a bit of waste of money going for a 2070 max q instead of an full 2060.. I want to buy a laptop too, and recoil it was a good choice. I though about recoil 17 inch but i'm afraid that i dont like the size.. If someone had pictures comparing the size of the 17 inch recoil with other laptops was perfect! Because of this I'm waiting for more information on the 16.1" DEFIANCE V RTX, that was a 2080 max q. But didnt find nothing yet on built quality, reviews etc..
 
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superswirl

Bronze Level Poster
I was also looking into the defiance 16.1 as well, stock isnt due for ages... but the 2080 MQ is even more of a dissapointment it seems.

One thing I think most people don't get is that the advantages of the new RTX cards will not come accross very strong at gaming at 1080p, for that they would need much higher clocks which they lack.. however at 1440p we should see an advantage with those high cuda core counts on RTX

We need more data

In the meantime, still struggling to justify the 2070 MQ over the 2060 in the recoil 2, I know I could go with thte recoil 2 17 but i want the smaller 15 size
 
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bibolcm

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Yeah- I think i will wait a bit to see if the rtx gpus get better drivers to see if the will be better in 1080p.. Because right now im stuck like you!
 
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Scott

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Personally I would be looking at the 2060 in a laptop regardless. It's a great middle ground for price vs performance IMO. The VRam wouldn't sway me at 1440, the 2060 is prime for it.
 
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big3y3s

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The issue at the moment is the lack of data and benchmarks. I, like you guys don't really see the point in the 2070 Max-Q. I was weighing up the Recoil II 15.6" with the 2060 but ended up going for the Proteus VI with the 2070. The 2060 does seem to be at a decent price point which will help, plus similar specs to the GTX 1070 so it should do well.
 
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bibolcm

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Yes i know what you mean, 2070 max q and 2080 max q, i cant see why buy them so expensive for their performance..Can you post some pictures of your proteus VI? Is it to big?
 
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bibolcm

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Is it possible to overclock the 2080 max q? or 2070 max q.. Maybe if the chassis is good enough it will be good.. don't know :/
 
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bibolcm said:
Is it possible to overclock the 2080 max q? or 2070 max q.. Maybe if the chassis is good enough it will be good.. don't know :/
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It is highly recommended not to, laptop chassis aren’t designed for overclocking and it’s likely you’ll damage components, it would also void any PCS warranty.
 
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Scott

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Possible..... yes. I overclocked mine in both CPU & GPU. However, as above, you lose any warranty but the fact that I de-lidded my CPU kind of made that a moot point anyway. I think the chassis are at their limit now, I can't really see any way of eeking out any worthwhile gains to warrant losing the warranty on the core parts of the system.

I obviously cannot comment on the current generation but the laptop version of the 1080 wasn't great for overclocking anyway. You will find that the laptop counterparts are really close to their limitations already as the physical hardware has to be stripped back to fit on the PCB. Everything is much tighter, tolerances etc, hence the price hike. It's amazing that they can manage it to begin with, especially with such a small hit on performance (relating to my GPU). By the time I was finished with mine I was very close to a desktop counterpart (In fact I beat some, even on this forum itself) but only at stock levels. Anyone overclocking the same components on a desktop would have trounced me.

My laptop now runs with the GPU with a very mild overclock (I can't actually recall but it's 100mhz or something) and the CPU has a reasonable overclock with an undervolt to keep temps in check. I've had to de-lid it and add liquid metal to keep everything in check so it's not a task for the faint hearted. The GPU is also running liquid metal but I've never had any temps over 85 on the GPU so I'm not so worried about that side of things. With the GPU temperature is never the limitation, the chips just aren't designed for it.
 
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big3y3s

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bibolcm said:
Yes i know what you mean, 2070 max q and 2080 max q, i cant see why buy them so expensive for their performance..Can you post some pictures of your proteus VI? Is it to big?
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Well looking at the sizes on the PCS website its smaller, lighter and thinner than my outgoing Dell l502x XPS 15, so I'm happy with that. When i get my hands on it i'll post some pics up. The chassis doesnt come into stock until tomorrow so it'll be next week before i receive it.
 
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