Upgrading from my Defiance 3

[barlew]

Hi guys,

So i am looking to upgrade from my 14" Defiance 3. (i7, GTX 1050ti, 16gb RAM)

I am looking at either the new Defiance 17" or the 15.6" Recoil.

I want to get an RTX card but i need advice. Is taking the 2070 max q worth it over the 2060?

The other option would be to get a Proteus vi with a full blown 2070 but a lower spec i7? Although that looks like quite a chunky laptop.

My second question is does any one know if the Defiance will run cooler than the Recoil as it is larger?

Ideally i want a laptop as near to 14 inch as possible but i am buying the laptop for gaming whilst i am away so having a small laptop that i cant game on because it overheats is pretty pointless.

Looking forward to your advice.

Barney

 

[Oussebon]

Is taking the 2070 max q worth it over the 2060?

No. The 2070 Max-Q is almost no better than a 2060.

It would be a waste of money.

The other option would be to get a Proteus vi with a full blown 2070 but a lower spec i7? Although that looks like quite a chunky laptop.

The "lower spec" i7 is virtually identical in performance. It's a non issue. TRhe 9750H is just a tiny bit faster than an 8750H and most games won't care.

What is your budget? Have you looked at the Vortex? Which offers a 2070 in a 15.6" chassis, and a gsync screen.

 

[Oussebon]

Just keep away from PCSpecialist, they don´t give a good support, take a proper brand like MSI or Asus, even you pay more, in the end it is always better.


I am an owner of a Defiance V RTX but PCSpecialist gives me no support because the first owner I cant contact him and they wont help so I cant recommend their service at all, the laptop by default gets very very hot, I will have to repaste it with Grizzly Kryonaut.

You're entitled to your opinion. You've been warned about reposting rants already. PCS can't transfer the warranty without the original owner asking for that. If the original owner left you high and dry, that's not PCS's fault.

PCS do honour their warranties, which I can say from personal experience, and that they are a reputable company is attested to from Trustpilot scores etc.

Of course, any potential customer at any store should weigh their options up

Brask - do not continue to derail this thread with any further rants. You've started other topics for those.

 

[barlew]

This would be the 3rd laptop i have bought from PCS the first two both had to be sent back under multiple RMA's I am well aware of their care procedure.

Going back to the original point of this thread.

I wont look at the vortex because its an absolute beast of a laptop in terms of size which is not what i am looking for. I want as much performance as possible in a machine as small as possible (i appreciate that requires trade offs).

I don't really have a budget.

After posting yesterday i did a bit more research and it would appear the the RTX cards in laptops are not like the old 10 serires cards where the laptop version was pretty much identical to the desktop counterpart.

With this in mind it looks like i would be better off getting a Recoil 3 with a gtx 1660 ti as i am not particularly interested in ray tracing and it seems to perform better that than the 2060 and runs very close to the 2070 max-q.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[Oussebon]

I wont look at the vortex because its an absolute beast of a laptop in terms of size which is not what i am looking for.

Not that Vortex, the other Vortex Sorry, I forget there's that super high end one.

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[barlew]

Aha ok i am with you now.
Would you recommend the vortex over the recoil?
What are your thoughts on getting a gtx 1660 ti over a rtx 2070?
I am not bothered about ray tracing.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Aha ok i am with you now.
Would you recommend the vortex over the recoil?
What are your thoughts on getting a gtx 1660 ti over a rtx 2070?
I am not bothered about ray tracing.

With regards to gaming the vortex is the pinnacle really for PCS offerings.

You can get it with the 1660ti

 

[barlew]

Thanks for the response spyder.

The vortex was the first laptop i ever bought from PCS a number of years ago.

After that i got a defiance and to be honest i was much more impressed with the quality of the defiance chassis.

Apart from the ability to stick a rtx 2070 in the Vortex what advantages would it have over the recoil chassis if i specd them both out the same?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thanks for the response spyder.

The vortex was the first laptop i ever bought from PCS a number of years ago.

After that i got a defiance and to be honest i was much more impressed with the quality of the defiance chassis.

Apart from the ability to stick a rtx 2070 in the Vortex what advantages would it have over the recoil chassis if i specd them both out the same?

The Vortex has a better screen with GSync which will lengthen the gaming lifetime of the rig by quite a margin, making anywhere as low as around 35 - 40 fps still enjoyable.
Vortex has Thunderbolt which is quite a massive consideration
Vortex takes slightly faster RAM at 2666MHz vs 2400MHz
Better Array Microphone
Has full size HDMI and 1 x mini dp whereas the recoil only has mini DP x 2
Has an optical audio port
Better touchpad
better webcam
62Wh battery vs 46Wh on the recoil

I don't know what in that list leaps out for you, but for me, the screen is a huge bonus, thunderbolt is very helpful for docks or high speed external storage or modern screens, and the faster RAM is always beneficial, plus the better battery.

All of that doesn't come to much more cost wise if specced the same.

Taken from: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/comp...11812]=on&compare[13118]=on&compare[12786]=on

 

[Oussebon]

The thing is, Defiance, Vortex, Recoil, etc are just PCS marketing. So a Defiance chassis you liked doesn't necessarily mean the new one will be similar. Just like the Vortex 15.6" chassis is a very different kettle of fish to the 17.3" monster despite them both being called Vortex. It doesn't necessarily mean they're related.

Apart from the ability to stick a rtx 2070 in the Vortex what advantages would it have over the recoil chassis if i specd them both out the same?

The Vortex has gsync as above

The RTX 2060 is only £68 more than the 1660 ti.

Nevermind Ray tracing, it's just a faster GPU in conventional games. Considering the GPU is what will ultimately make the system obsolete for gaming, getting the 2060 at least would be sensible.

 

[barlew]

This is exactly why i come to these forums top advice.

The Vortex has a better screen with GSync which will lengthen the gaming lifetime of the rig by quite a margin, making anywhere as low as around 35 - 40 fps still enjoyable.

So i didn't realise this Spyder It definitely sounds like the Vortex is a good idea for this alone.

The RTX 2060 is only £68 more than the 1660 ti.

So here is my final question (thanks for putting up with all the others).

When I compare the rtx 2060 to the gtx 1660ti on notebookcheck the fps difference between the two cards on top settings appears to be minimal. We are talking 4-5 fps max. In some of the games the 1660 apparently edges ahead. Is the 2060 still a better option?

 

[SpyderTracks]

This is exactly why i come to these forums top advice.



So i didn't realise this Spyder It definitely sounds like the Vortex is a good idea for this alone.



So here is my final question (thanks for putting up with all the others).

When I compare the rtx 2060 to the gtx 1660ti on notebookcheck the fps difference between the two cards on top settings appears to be minimal. We are talking 4-5 fps max. In some of the games the 1660 apparently edges ahead. Is the 2060 still a better option?

Have you got a link to the comparison?

 

[barlew]

Have you got a link to the comparison?

Sure thing it is here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...-RTX-2070-Laptop_9581_9641_9551.247598.0.html

 

[Oussebon]

Notebookcheck is great because it benchmarks with real chassis.

But that's also its downside. if it benches one chassis with a 2060 that underperforms and one with a 1660 ti that excels, if if they have different CPUs, or something else that effects performance like power limits set by the manufacturer, or poorer thermals, you get skewed results.

The 2060 is the better GPU

 

[Oussebon]

When you consider the cost of going from a 1660 ti to a 2060 as % of the overall system's price, it's mad not to go with the 2060

 

[SpyderTracks]

When you consider the cost of going from a 1660 ti to a 2060 as % of the overall system's price, it's mad not to go with the 2060

Yeah, I find those numbers a bit strange on notebookcheck. It's a great site don't get me wrong, but those numbers don't seem to add up. The 2060 is definitely more powerful, even without the need for RTX (which I personally share, have no interest whatsoever).

There's quite a good article here with game benchmarks on the two:

GTX 1660 Ti vs RTX 2060: benchmark performance and feature comparison

The best 16-series GTX card and the cheapest RTX card compared against each other.

www.eurogamer.net

Just in pure numbers the 1660ti is just pure beaten in cores and bandwidth throughput, the general concensus is around 8 - 16% performance increase in games with the 2060 over the 1660ti at 1080p. and for quite a marginal price increase.

 

[barlew]

Sorry for the late response guys. Thanks very much for all the advice. I reckon ill probably go for the vortex with the 2060. From what you are saying it would be silly not to.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Sorry for the late response guys. Thanks very much for all the advice. I reckon ill probably go for the vortex with the 2060. From what you are saying it would be silly not to.

Good choice, I think you’ll be very pleasantly surprised with the new vortex, it’s nothing like the old one, very sleek and sexy.

I have the old vortex iv which I’m still using today and it’s a monster! But this new one is totally the opposite, very low profile.

 

[barlew]

Right i am back with another question. I am still looking at the vortex but you have planted the bug in my head with these GPUs. I am now thinking i may as well just go all out with the 2070. Does anyone know of any overheating issues with the 2070 in the vortex ix.

 

[Oussebon]

I don't recall GPU temps being an issue for any of the users who posted reviews of the chassis on the forum.

You can always leaf through the Show off your PC sub forum, and do a search for threads about the Vortex:

Search results for query: vortex

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

(not sure if link will work for you)