Hi, I realise my PC is 5 years old now but it's been perfect up to now. I'm trying here before trying the rest of the world (where to start?). Any help or pointers for further investigation will be much appreciated.
Case
CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 275Q QUIET CASE
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Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Eight Core Processor i7-9700K (3.6GHz) 12MB Cache
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1660 Ti - HDMI, DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)
2nd M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3300MB/W)
1st Storage Drive
6TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 5400RPM, 256MB CACHE
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H60 Hydro Cooler w/ PCS Ultra Quiet Fans
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book - United Kingdom & Republic of Ireland
Current
Windows 11 Version 24H2 (OS Build 26100.2605)
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. F10, 05/06/2019
The Issue
CPU showing up to about 50% for System, even when pc is idle. I don’t know when this started, the pc is fairly quiet and I don’t have any monitoring onscreen all the time, I just happened to notice on Tuesday when looking at Task Manager (for a reason I don’t remember). On Tuesday I was just checking for any updates for system or software, uploading holiday photos to Lightroom. I did uninstall a few unused apps like Xbox as well (photos were taking a while to upload so I fiddled about). PC is home use, mostly photos and a bit of video (LR, PS, Davinci Resolve).
One of the updates I did was a new Nvidia driver which also prompted me to install the new Nvidia App, the GEForce Experience did not seem to uninstall itself cleanly during this so I suspected this may have been the/part of problem, but I don’t recall whether I noticed the CPU usage before or after any of these updates/uninstalls.
I’ve done a lot of searching the internet, tried various things which I’ve listed below in approximately the right order. I’ve often done power cycles rather than restarts between steps.
Using Process Explorer the ‘culprits’ appear to be 3 threads under the System process using about 13% CPU each, all 3 are named ntoskrnl.exe!RtlNumberOfSetBitsEx+0x680.
I cannot access the stack for the threads, get a message popup ‘unable to access thread’ (tbh I don’t know if I would understand what the stack was saying anyway but it could be useful!).
Note, the issue does not occur in Safe Mode but it DOES with a ‘clean boot’ with all services and startup apps disabled.
Suspecting it was Nvidia stuff I used DDU in Safe Mode to remove Nvidia drivers etc. Note as part of doing this I turned off Windows Fast Start and automatic device updates. Reinstalled them in Normal Mode.
Check and updated lates Windows and 2 optional drivers (both Intel things).
Did system file checks with sfc /scannow and DISM…RestoreHealth.
Windows Memory Diagnostic tool to check RAM.
Samsung Magician appears to show no issues with SMART data for both NVMEs and two 4Tb 870 EVOs (not in original build).
Windows Defender Full Scan and Offline Scan (which said it would show results on restart but I never saw anything!).
I’ve done those things twice over. Second go at removing Nvidia stuff I used DDU and Nvidia Cleaner.
Any help appreciated, thanks.
Case
CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 275Q QUIET CASE
Promotional Item
Choose from 6 Incredible Ubisoft Titles FREE with select SAMSUNG SSDs!
Promotional Code
Promotional Item
FREE Red Dead Redemption 2 & More! w/ select Intel i7 & i9 CPUs!
Promotional Code
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Eight Core Processor i7-9700K (3.6GHz) 12MB Cache
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1660 Ti - HDMI, DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)
2nd M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3300MB/W)
1st Storage Drive
6TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 5400RPM, 256MB CACHE
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H60 Hydro Cooler w/ PCS Ultra Quiet Fans
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book - United Kingdom & Republic of Ireland
Current
Windows 11 Version 24H2 (OS Build 26100.2605)
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. F10, 05/06/2019
The Issue
CPU showing up to about 50% for System, even when pc is idle. I don’t know when this started, the pc is fairly quiet and I don’t have any monitoring onscreen all the time, I just happened to notice on Tuesday when looking at Task Manager (for a reason I don’t remember). On Tuesday I was just checking for any updates for system or software, uploading holiday photos to Lightroom. I did uninstall a few unused apps like Xbox as well (photos were taking a while to upload so I fiddled about). PC is home use, mostly photos and a bit of video (LR, PS, Davinci Resolve).
One of the updates I did was a new Nvidia driver which also prompted me to install the new Nvidia App, the GEForce Experience did not seem to uninstall itself cleanly during this so I suspected this may have been the/part of problem, but I don’t recall whether I noticed the CPU usage before or after any of these updates/uninstalls.
I’ve done a lot of searching the internet, tried various things which I’ve listed below in approximately the right order. I’ve often done power cycles rather than restarts between steps.
Using Process Explorer the ‘culprits’ appear to be 3 threads under the System process using about 13% CPU each, all 3 are named ntoskrnl.exe!RtlNumberOfSetBitsEx+0x680.
I cannot access the stack for the threads, get a message popup ‘unable to access thread’ (tbh I don’t know if I would understand what the stack was saying anyway but it could be useful!).
Note, the issue does not occur in Safe Mode but it DOES with a ‘clean boot’ with all services and startup apps disabled.
Suspecting it was Nvidia stuff I used DDU in Safe Mode to remove Nvidia drivers etc. Note as part of doing this I turned off Windows Fast Start and automatic device updates. Reinstalled them in Normal Mode.
Check and updated lates Windows and 2 optional drivers (both Intel things).
Did system file checks with sfc /scannow and DISM…RestoreHealth.
Windows Memory Diagnostic tool to check RAM.
Samsung Magician appears to show no issues with SMART data for both NVMEs and two 4Tb 870 EVOs (not in original build).
Windows Defender Full Scan and Offline Scan (which said it would show results on restart but I never saw anything!).
I’ve done those things twice over. Second go at removing Nvidia stuff I used DDU and Nvidia Cleaner.
Any help appreciated, thanks.
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