Should I upgrade to a 3070 for an extra 175 Euro

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MoonIsB

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These are the current specs I have ordered..

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CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
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AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
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ASUS® PRIME B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 Ti - HDMI, DP
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2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
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512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
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CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
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1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
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STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
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STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
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ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
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10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
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MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
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I'd be looking at mainly 1440p 1440hz gaming but I don't know if the jump in performance is that significant, from what I've seen of reviews there doesn't seem to be much, but is there much with ray tracing on?`By the looks of things the people with the 3070 are getting their pcs significantly faster too so, maybe getting it earlier and better [performance might make it worth?
 
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Steveyg

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The performance jump isn't massive but it's enough to push 1440p superwide. If I was you however I'd be looking at changing the motherboard to a minimum TUF B550 instead of the prime.

If you decided to go for the 3070 I'd also be looking at the TUF X570 motherboard instead of the TUF B550

I'd be looking at the below for a 3070 build

Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL II GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
1TB PCS 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520MB/R, 470MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 240 High Performance Liquid Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
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Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
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United Kingdom - English Language
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Scott

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Do you have a 1440p monitor?

There won't be a lot of noticeable difference at 1440p IMO. If I were in your shoes I probably would fork out the extra cash, I'm not saying don't do it, I just don't think it's worth it as I'm a little daft with purchases like that.

Purchasing the 3070 over the 3060Ti will net you some extra frames or possibly some higher settings with the same frames. I don't think your eyes will actually perceive much of a difference though so it's down to wallet really. What the 3070 will offer, if you haven't purchased already, is access to the ultra widescreen 1440p monitors. It will do better at driving such a panel, where the 3060Ti would drop a little too much framerate IMO.
 
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MoonIsB

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Scott said:
Do you have a 1440p monitor?

There won't be a lot of noticeable difference at 1440p IMO. If I were in your shoes I probably would fork out the extra cash, I'm not saying don't do it, I just don't think it's worth it as I'm a little daft with purchases like that.

Purchasing the 3070 over the 3060Ti will net you some extra frames or possibly some higher settings with the same frames. I don't think your eyes will actually perceive much of a difference though so it's down to wallet really. What the 3070 will offer, if you haven't purchased already, is access to the ultra widescreen 1440p monitors. It will do better at driving such a panel, where the 3060Ti would drop a little too much framerate IMO.
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I don't have one just yet but I plan on upgrading to one in the near future, though I wouldn't know if I'd go for an ultra wide
 
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MoonIsB

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Steveyg said:
The performance jump isn't massive but it's enough to push 1440p superwide. If I was you however I'd be looking at changing the motherboard to a minimum TUF B550 instead of the prime.

If you decided to go for the 3070 I'd also be looking at the TUF X570 motherboard instead of the TUF B550

I'd be looking at the below for a 3070 build

Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL II GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
1TB PCS 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520MB/R, 470MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 240 High Performance Liquid Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
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Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
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United Kingdom - English Language
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Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
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FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
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Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
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3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
2 - 3 DAY DELIVERY TO REPUBLIC OF IRELAND
Build Time
Standard Build - Subject to stock availability on pre-order products
Price: £1,849.00 including VAT and Delivery

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Can I ask why you'd look towards the a different motherboard, and yeah I don't think I'll go for a 3070 seems the graphics increase isnt worth it
 
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Steveyg

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Your motherboard is how all the parts communicate, it also needs to take a fair amount of abuse with the power running through it. With beefier parts in the computer that are sending more and more data through the motherboard the MB needs to be able to keep up and be able to endure beating it will take

The higher grade motherboards are designed to take the abuse from the more powerful components but also better built so the separate parts can communicate faster with one another

That's about as basic as I can describe it without getting into weird details that I don't know enough about
 
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MoonIsB

Silver Level Poster
Steveyg said:
Your motherboard is how all the parts communicate, it also needs to take a fair amount of abuse with the power running through it. With beefier parts in the computer that are sending more and more data through the motherboard the MB needs to be able to keep up and be able to endure beating it will take

The higher grade motherboards are designed to take the abuse from the more powerful components but also better built so the separate parts can communicate faster with one another

That's about as basic as I can describe it without getting into weird details that I don't know enough about
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Ah right and you'd say the mobo I have right now isnt good enough?
 
Scott

Scott

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Steveyg said:
Your motherboard is how all the parts communicate, it also needs to take a fair amount of abuse with the power running through it. With beefier parts in the computer that are sending more and more data through the motherboard the MB needs to be able to keep up and be able to endure beating it will take

The higher grade motherboards are designed to take the abuse from the more powerful components but also better built so the separate parts can communicate faster with one another

That's about as basic as I can describe it without getting into weird details that I don't know enough about
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Believe it or not, the B550 should be quite capable for any of the GPUs. The key is the PCIe4.0 slot. It has direct CPU lanes that allow for direct communication. It's a standard and doesn't require a chipset bridge so the motherboard shouldn't have too much impact here.

It does have a say with the CPU and the RAM though, but with the 5600X it would be more than capable.

I do think there would be real merit in an upgrade though. The Gaming Wifi motherboard always sticks out for me as a great middle ground. It's a bit beefier in the VRMs & has built in Wifi AX200 (Wifi6).
 
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MoonIsB

Silver Level Poster
Scott said:
Believe it or not, the B550 should be quite capable for any of the GPUs. The key is the PCIe4.0 slot. It has direct CPU lanes that allow for direct communication. It's a standard and doesn't require a chipset bridge so the motherboard shouldn't have too much impact here.

It does have a say with the CPU and the RAM though, but with the 5600X it would be more than capable.

I do think there would be real merit in an upgrade though. The Gaming Wifi motherboard always sticks out for me as a great middle ground. It's a bit beefier in the VRMs & has built in Wifi AX200 (Wifi6).
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What is the full name of the gaming wifi and do you think it's worth me upgrading that?
 
Scott

Scott

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ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS WiFi (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!

Only if you want the Wifi. Even if you don't I think the Gaming Plus is worth it (non-Wifi) for the price difference. It's a good bit of kit. The TUF gaming range from ASUS is all pretty good from what I've seen.
 
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MoonIsB

Silver Level Poster
Scott said:
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS WiFi (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!

Only if you want the Wifi. Even if you don't I think the Gaming Plus is worth it (non-Wifi) for the price difference. It's a good bit of kit. The TUF gaming range from ASUS is all pretty good from what I've seen.
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If I went with that I assume I would also remove the wireless network card
 
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MoonIsB

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Right then,

Let's say I wanted to put a 3070 into the build would ye change anything about the parts or is it just the change in mobo
 
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