PC replacements... with caveats

Robin92

Member
Hi all,

Time has finally come to replace my wife's and my PC, after respectivitely 11 and 14 years of service (with minor upgrades over the years).
We are casual gamers (WoW and various stale co-op AAA titles such as Ghost Recon, Far Cry, etc) and I do some web design as a side gig, so we are not looking for NASA level engines. No competitive FPS, no need for split second 360 no scope combos or whatever kids do these days :)

The idea is to be able to run whatever recent-ish games we fancy for the next 5 years in mid to high settings without having to worry about upgrading the GPU every release cycle. We have no interest in joining the rat race, nor in upgrading our monitors (specs below).

I do however want to optimise our purchases to last, having components that work together well with no obvious bottleneck - bar the monitors.
I understand that our current machines are very badly optimised, as components don't pair up well at all and are outdated. I am however keeping in mind that despite the lack of optimisation, the machines have lasted much longer than the average appears to be, and that we have not struggled to play anything we fancied until very recently.

My budget is roughly £1500 per machine, as I don't expect anything more expensive to be used to its full potential with our current monitors.

Our current monitors are the following:
- mine: LG 29UM65-P - 75 Hz, 2560*1080. I understand it is badly outdated, but it works flawlessly and I am very attached to the ultrawide resolution. I would be fully satisfied to be able to run recent titles at 75fps in 1080 ultrawide.

- hers: HP E243i - 60Hz, 1920*1200. Recent addition at no cost, and no issues with it, so would take an unreasonable amount of convincing/arguin with her to replace it.

Current specs:
(mine)
- i7-2600K 3.4-3.8 GHz (yes, that old)
- 16 GB DDR3 @1300 MHz
- GTX 1660Ti 6GB

(hers)
- i5-4690K 3.5-3.9 Ghz
- 16 GB DDR5 @ 1300 MHz
- GTX 1050 4GB

Looking at the preconfigured options from PCS, I am leaning toward this build:
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/gXK2ug7Ssc/
Case
PCS SPECTRUM II ARGB MID TOWER CASE (PWM)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-5.5GHz/40MB CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5600MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB GIGABYTE RADEON™ RX 7800 XT GAMING OC - 2 x HDMI, 2 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 6500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMe SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 200 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (6 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price: £1,603.00 including VAT and Delivery

I would welcome any thoughts on the above parts choice, and potential alternatives to get the most out of our budget.
Again I understand that neither the CPU or GPU would be pushed to their full potential being limited to 1080p and 60/75Hz, but my reasoning is that aiming for more will last us longer with mid to high settings. I am also happy to be challenged on this outlook if this is not a valid reasoning.
Many thanks in advance!

Robin
 

Robin92

Member
After reading numerous other recommendations on this forum and having compared CPU/GPU/Monitor pairings, here is an updated build.
At a higher price point and with replacement QHD monitors, in the realm of 180Hz this time.

The objective remains the same, longevity and adequate pairing of the main components around the £1500-£2000 price point.
Same GPU but upgraded CPU to the 9800X3D, and upgraded RAM to 6000MHz to better pair with the CPU.
Beefier PSU to boot also.

I would in particular welcome opinions on the choice of monitor (PCS' own GD-27Q180)?

Case
FRACTAL POP SILENT CASE TG (BLACK)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2 (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB GIGABYTE RADEON™ RX 7800 XT GAMING OC - 2 x HDMI, 2 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 6500MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMe SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 200 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Monitor
PCSpecialist GD-27Q180 27" IPS Monitor - 2560x1440, 1MS, 180Hz
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (6 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price: £1,965.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/fFFemWx9br/
 
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TonyCarter

VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
I don’t think any of us would recommend PCS branded component as there‘s no independent source of information on them and their specs.

Due to the relatively poor experience of PCS coolers on high-performance PCs, we’d usually recommend a minimum of a Corsair H100i Capellix AIO cooler…and the H115 or H150 if the case & budget supports the extra spend.

I don’t know if you’ve got a Windows licence and boot drive already, but we’d recommend keeping the OS separate (I.e. on it’s own drive along with games launchers, apps) from your games installs, so that yo7kvenot got all your eggs in one basket.

With an eye on future GPU upgrades, we’d also recommend sone thing higher than a 750w PSU, as even the lowest of the new 50-series Nvidia GPUs are asking for 750w PSUs, so a 750w PSU offers no room for even a single future GPU upgrade.
 

Robin92

Member
Thank you!
I had put a 1000W PSU intially but was prompted to review by the PCS tool as the projected wattage required wasn't even 600W.
I am considering a 850W model instead, but wish the higher wattage options came without the RGB to keep the price in line with the actual purpose of the product.

Thanks for the recommendation on coolers, I have no experience in that regard.

I was also surprised to not find any reviews on PCS monitors, 180Hz in 1440p QHD at £150 seems to good to be true, but is very tempting!

Edit: I am sorted on the Windows side yes, and already have a main NVMe SSD for the OS partition :)
 
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TonyCarter

VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
i don’t believe the PSUs PCS offer have RGB.

But the 850w is the older ATX2.4 spec, and the 750w is the newer ATX3.1 spec…so confusingly the 750w model has a higher peak load than the 850w. The reason the ATX3.1 are better is the spec mandates higher peak power and over-current protections, so an older 850w will have some overhead (maybe 30%) for power spikes, but the 750w newer one will allow for 100% extra…of course both only allow this for transient power requirements, not full time.

PCS will start swapping out the ATX2.4 PSUs for ATX3.1 PSUs as they reorder them, but for now it’s a choice of 750RMe, 1200RMx Shift or above. The 850RM and 1000RM are still the old spec (but the details on each PSU doesn’t mention this, so you have to check with PCS as to when the change will come).

The notice on the configurator is also infuriating to most of us, as it takes the advertised max power of each component (which is ‘t their actual real world peak power usage) and adds 20% headroom…which is fine for something that won’t see heavy gaming use and will never see a GPU upgrade. We tend to configure a PSU to allow a few GPU upgrades, and try to keep it running in it’s most efficient operating window (40-60%) so that it doesn’t get hot and doesn’t have to spin up the fans too much.
 
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Robin92

Member
Just FYI, I have confirmed with PCS that the 850W version of the Corsair RMX PSU is now ATX 3.1, their listing is this model:

So rather than the 1000W ATX 2.4 I am going to go for the 850W which is roughly 350W more than what the max wattage the machines could require in their current specs and at a lower price than the 1000W. The price difference will go towards the H115 cooler.
 
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