My new PC

[OliSti]

Is this a good setup?

It's for Gaining and Video Editing plus pictures and for testing, AI Training.

For the future, I would upgrade to more storage and more RAM and evtl. a better graphics card for some other things. But for know I think it should be enough.

Prozessor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 16-Core-Prozessor i9-12900F (bis 5,1GHz) 30 MB Cache

Mainboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI (LGA1700, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)

Arbeitsspeicher
16 GB PCS PRO DDR5 4800 MHz (1 x 16GB)

Grafikkarte
8 GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4060 - HDMI, DP, LHR

1. M.2 SSD-Laufwerk
1 TB SAMSUNG 990 PRO M.2, PCIe 4.0 NVMe (bis zu 7450 MB/R, 6900 MB/W)

Netzteil
CORSAIR 550 W CX SERIES™ CX-550-STROMVERSORGUNG

CPU-Kühler
Hochleistungs-CPU-Kühler der FrostFlow 150-Serie

Wärmeleitpaste
ARKTISCHE MX-4 EXTREM WÄRMELEITENDE VERBINDUNG

LED-Beleuchtung
ARGB-LED-Streifen, 50 cm

Zusätzliche Gehäuselüfter
4 x STCK ARGB-LED-Lüfter und Controller-Kit

Soundkarte
ONBOARD ..

USB-/Thunderbolt-Optionen
MIN. 2 x USB-3.0- und 2 x USB-2.0-ANSCHLÜSSE AUF DER RÜCKSEITE + MIN. 2 ANSCHLÜSSE VORNE

Betriebssystem
Windows 11 Pro

 

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[OliSti]

What is missing?
That's the whole setup of the pc..

I am not sure about my monitor.. 1080P I think..
But I will get a new one in the future. To have that one and another with 4K
This build cost 1300€.

I want to know if it's a good setup or what I could change.

 

[Scoped Badger]

What is missing?
That's the whole setup of the pc..

I am not sure about my monitor.. 1080P I think..
But I will get a new one in the future. To have that one and another with 4K
This build cost 1300€.

I want to know if it's a good setup or what I could change.

No, it's not. It's two thirds of the full spec and doesn't have the configurable link at the bottom for anyone to edit. Did you read the linked thread?

But to answer your question, it's not a good setup. At the very least we need a max budget before we can move forward.

 

[Martinr36]

As well as the budget we need to know monitor details, as without that we can't spec the correct GPU

 

[TonyCarter]

Just for context, monitor informs GPU choice, GPU (and CPU) choice informs PSU choice.

 

[OliSti]

It's i

No, it's not. It's two thirds of the full spec and doesn't have the configurable link at the bottom for anyone to edit. Did you read the linked thread?

But to answer your question, it's not a good setup. At the very least we need a max budget before we can move forward.

Can't use a link because the German version of the forum is no longer online..

That's the spec of the important components of a pc..
I don't know why you need something like cable or software or something but here it is if that is important..

Gehäuse
MID TOWER-GEHÄUSE PCS PULSE (PWM)
Werbeartikel
Erhalte einen Code für 20 % Rabatt auf ausgewählte Peripheriegeräte bei Corsair.com
Prozessor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 12-Core-Prozessor i7-12700 (bis 4,9GHz) 25 MB Cache
Ändern in: Intel® Core™ i9 16-Core-Prozessor i9-12900F (bis 5,1GHz) 30 MB Cache

Mainboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI (LGA1700, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
Arbeitsspeicher
16 GB PCS PRO DDR5 4800 MHz (1 x 16GB)

Grafikkarte
8 GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3050 - HDMI, DP, LHR
Ändern in: 8 GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4060 - HDMI, DP, LHR

Grafikkartenhalterung
KEINE (HALTERUNG ALS STANDARD BEI 4070 Ti / RX 7700 XT UND HÖHER ENTHALTEN)

1. M.2 SSD-Laufwerk
1 TB SAMSUNG 990 PRO M.2, PCIe 4.0 NVMe (bis zu 7450 MB/R, 6900 MB/W)

DVD/BLU-RAY-Laufwerk
NICHT BENÖTIGT

Netzteil
CORSAIR 550 W CX SERIES™ CX-550-STROMVERSORGUNG

Netzteilstromkabel
1 x Europäisches Netzkabel, 1,5 Meter (SchuKo Stecker)

CPU-Kühler
Hochleistungs-CPU-Kühler der FrostFlow 150-Serie

Wärmeleitpaste
ARKTISCHE MX-4 EXTREM WÄRMELEITENDE VERBINDUNG

LED-Beleuchtung
KEINER
Ändern in: ARGB-LED-Streifen, 50 cm

Zusätzliche Gehäuselüfter
KEINER
Ändern in: 4 x STCK ARGB-LED-Lüfter und Controller-Kit

Soundkarte
ONBOARD 6 KANAL (5.1) HIGH DEF-AUDIO (STANDARDMÄSSIG)

Netzwerkkarte
-LAN-ANSCHLUSS

WLAN-Karte
KEINE ODER ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARDABHÄNGIG)

USB-/Thunderbolt-Optionen
MIN. 2 x USB-3.0- und 2 x USB-2.0-ANSCHLÜSSE AUF DER RÜCKSEITE + MIN. 2 ANSCHLÜSSE VORNE

Betriebssystem
KEIN BETRIEBSSYSTEM ERFORDERLICH

Sprache des Betriebssystems
Deutschland/Deutschland – Deutsch

Windows-Wiederherstellungsmedium
WIEDERHERSTELLUNGSMEDIEN NICHT ERFORDERLICH

Bürosoftware
KOSTENLOSE 30 Tage-Testversion von Microsoft 365® (Betriebssystem erforderlich)

Antivirus
KEINE ANTIVIRUS-SOFTWARE

Browser
Google Chrome™

Garantie
3 Jahre Gold-Garantie (2 Jahre Abholung und erneute Lieferung, 2 Jahre Teile, 3 Jahre Arbeit)

Lieferung
3 TAGE LIEFERUNG NACH DEUTSCHLAND

Herstellungszeit
Standardmontage – Rund 4 bis 6 Arbeitstage

Begrüßungsbuch
PCSpecialist Begrüßungsbuch

No more important info then I wrote above.. or I don't understand how or what makes a difference.

I never heard of that a monitor is important for a graphics card..

Yeah you should have a good monitor for a good graphics card but ok..


Why is the setup not good?

 

[OliSti]

Ah Okey.. the link now works.
I didn't know that it works without the forum online.
Last time I got redirected to a 404 page.

Gehäuse
MID TOWER-GEHÄUSE PCS PULSE (PWM)
Werbeartikel
Erhalte einen Code für 20 % Rabatt auf ausgewählte Peripheriegeräte bei Corsair.com
Prozessor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 12-Core-Prozessor i7-12700 (bis 4,9GHz) 25 MB Cache
Mainboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI (LGA1700, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
Arbeitsspeicher
16 GB PCS PRO DDR5 4800 MHz (1 x 16GB)
Grafikkarte
8 GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3050 - HDMI, DP, LHR
Grafikkartenhalterung
KEINE (HALTERUNG ALS STANDARD BEI 4070 Ti / RX 7700 XT UND HÖHER ENTHALTEN)
1. M.2 SSD-Laufwerk
1 TB SAMSUNG 990 PRO M.2, PCIe 4.0 NVMe (bis zu 7450 MB/R, 6900 MB/W)
Netzteil
CORSAIR 550 W CX SERIES™ CX-550-STROMVERSORGUNG
Netzteilstromkabel
1 x Europäisches Netzkabel, 1,5 Meter (SchuKo Stecker)
CPU-Kühler
Hochleistungs-CPU-Kühler der FrostFlow 150-Serie
Wärmeleitpaste
ARKTISCHE MX-4 EXTREM WÄRMELEITENDE VERBINDUNG
Soundkarte
ONBOARD 6 KANAL (5.1) HIGH DEF-AUDIO (STANDARDMÄSSIG)
Netzwerkkarte
-LAN-ANSCHLUSS
WLAN-Karte
KEINE ODER ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARDABHÄNGIG)
USB-/Thunderbolt-Optionen
MIN. 2 x USB-3.0- und 2 x USB-2.0-ANSCHLÜSSE AUF DER RÜCKSEITE + MIN. 2 ANSCHLÜSSE VORNE
Betriebssystem
KEIN BETRIEBSSYSTEM ERFORDERLICH
Sprache des Betriebssystems
Deutschland/Deutschland – Deutsch
Windows-Wiederherstellungsmedium
WIEDERHERSTELLUNGSMEDIEN NICHT ERFORDERLICH
Bürosoftware
KOSTENLOSE 30 Tage-Testversion von Microsoft 365® (Betriebssystem erforderlich)
Antivirus
KEINE ANTIVIRUS-SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Garantie
3 Jahre Gold-Garantie (2 Jahre Abholung und erneute Lieferung, 2 Jahre Teile, 3 Jahre Arbeit)
Lieferung
3 TAGE LIEFERUNG NACH DEUTSCHLAND
Herstellungszeit
Standardmontage – Rund 3 bis 5 Arbeitstage
Begrüßungsbuch
PCSpecialist Begrüßungsbuch
Logo-Branding
PCSpecialist Logo
Verpackung
PCS-Handelspaket – neu 2023


Preis: 0,00 € einschließlich Mehrwertsteuer und Versand

Einmalige URL zur erneuten Konfiguration: https://www.pcspecialist.de/gespeicherte-konfigurationen/intel-z790-ddr5-pc/TUSSV2pTZ7/

 

[OliSti]

Just for context, monitor informs GPU choice, GPU (and CPU) choice informs PSU choice.

PSU?
I want to have a 4K monitor. Then my old one 1080P is used for now.
And then in the future a third 4K Monitor.

I want to play game's in high end, edit Videos (5,3K 60FPS), test AI features, train models, and let run an VM with an extra Windows. And another with Linux.

In the future there should be another 16GB RAM.

My budget is about 1500€

Hope that helps.

 

[Ekans2011]

My budget is about 1500€

Your budget will barely cover a low-end 1080p PC; a 4K system would cost at least £2500 (or 3000€).

Why is the setup not good?

There are several reasons.

1- Three-generation old platform

2. Unknown, low-quality case (it's a very important component, not just a metal box)

3- single channel, unknown, low quality RAM.

4- Useless GPU; a 3050 is perhaps the worst NVIDIA has ever created.

5- Low-end, insufficient power supply

6 - low-quality, insufficient, and unreliable CPU cooler

I want to play game's in high end, edit Videos (5,3K 60FPS), test AI features, train models, and let run an VM with an extra Windows. And another with Linux.

That build just cannot handle what you require.

 

[Scoped Badger]

PSU?
I want to have a 4K monitor. Then my old one 1080P is used for now.
And then in the future a third 4K Monitor.

I want to play game's in high end, edit Videos (5,3K 60FPS), test AI features, train models, and let run an VM with an extra Windows. And another with Linux.

In the future there should be another 16GB RAM.

My budget is about 1500€

Hope that helps.

Power Supply Unit.

The higher end the components, the more power they use. The more power they use, the higher wattage PSU you need.

I think you'll need to re-assess your expectations. You're just not going to get the setup you want for 1,500 euros.

 

[Ekans2011]

@OliSti

Here's an example of an entry-level PC capable of playing (or attempting to play) in 1080p resolution (without DLSS, RT, and FG).

Any build lower than this is simply not worth it. Better with a console.

N.B. Due to the 750W PSU, this build will only allow you to upgrade to low-end future GPUs.

Gehäuse
LIAN LI LANCOOL 205 MESH C-GAMINGGEHÄUSE
Prozessor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7700 8-Core-CPU (3,8 GHz - 5,3 GHz/40 MB CACHE/AM5)
Mainboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Arbeitsspeicher
32 GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Grafikkarte
16 GB AMD RADEON™ RX 7600 XT - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
Grafikkartenhalterung
KEINE (HALTERUNG ALS STANDARD BEI 4070 Ti / RX 7700 XT UND HÖHER ENTHALTEN)
1. M.2 SSD-Laufwerk
512 GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (bis zu 7000 MB/sR, 4700 MB/sW)
1. M.2 SSD-Laufwerk
1 TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (bis zu 4125 MB/sR, 2950 MB/sW)
Netzteil
CORSAIR 750 W RMe SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRALEISE
Netzteilstromkabel
1 x Europäisches Netzkabel, 1,5 Meter (SchuKo Stecker)
CPU-Kühler
Hochleistungs-CPU-Kühler der Corsair H100x RGB Elite
Wärmeleitpaste
THERMISCHE STANDARDWÄRMELEITPASTE FÜR AUSREICHENDE KÜHLUNG
Soundkarte
ONBOARD 6 KANAL (5.1) HIGH DEF-AUDIO (STANDARDMÄSSIG)
Netzwerkkarte
2.5Gbe-LAN-ANSCHLUSS
USB-/Thunderbolt-Optionen
MIN. 2 x USB-3.0- und 2 x USB-2.0-ANSCHLÜSSE AUF DER RÜCKSEITE + MIN. 2 ANSCHLÜSSE VORNE
Betriebssystem
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit – inkl. Einzellizenz
Sprache des Betriebssystems
Deutschland/Deutschland – Deutsch
Windows-Wiederherstellungsmedium
Windows 10/11 Mehrsprachiges Wiederherstellung - unbegrenzte Downloads vom Online-Konto aus
Bürosoftware
KOSTENLOSE 30 Tage-Testversion von Microsoft 365® (Betriebssystem erforderlich)
Antivirus
KEINE ANTIVIRUS-SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Garantie
3 Jahre Gold-Garantie (2 Jahre Abholung und erneute Lieferung, 2 Jahre Teile, 3 Jahre Arbeit)
Lieferung
3 TAGE LIEFERUNG NACH DEUTSCHLAND
Herstellungszeit
Standardmontage – Rund 3 bis 5 Arbeitstage
Preis: 1.691,00 € einschließlich Mehrwertsteuer und Versand
Einmalige URL zur erneuten Konfiguration: https://www.pcspecialist.de/gespeicherte-konfigurationen/amd-am5-pc/PvuX0W0ndv/

 

[OliSti]

Your budget will barely cover a low-end 1080p PC; a 4K system would cost at least £2500.


There are several reasons.

1- Three-generation old platform

2. Unknown, low-quality case (it's a very important component, not just a metal box)

3- single channel, unknown, low quality RAM.

4- Useless GPU; a 3050 is perhaps the worst NVIDIA has ever created.

5- Low-end, insufficient power supply

6 - low-quality, insufficient, and unreliable CPU cooler


That build just cannot handle what you require.

Hm Okey don't know in which context you mean 1080p but my 10 year old computer for 620€ can handle 2 displays and one of them is full hd.

Video rendering is extremely slow and not really possible.. but as normal office pc and games like GTA5 on low graphics and Dying Light on medium/high graphics worked.

3 Gen old hm Okey.. jeah that's some money thing.
But upgraded it to i9

Jeah the case is one point. But I don't know which one I should choose because this looks cool but with the case I agree, there are better ones.

Why single channel? Do you mean because it's only 1?
I want to upgrade it in the future.

GPU upgraded to 4060

Low end - ok I don't know.
But why insufficient?
The configuration said maximum 300W and it hat 550W.

Why insufficient CPU cooler?
The configuration said it is Okey and I can't put a bigger one in.


Mhh. Jeah but I don't have that much money at the moment.

My "dream" pc was at about like 6500€..
Or if I had won in the lottery about like 20K.
Haha 😆

 

[SpyderTracks]

Hm Okey don't know in which context you mean 1080p but my 10 year old computer for 620€ can handle 2 displays and one of them is full hd.

Video rendering is extremely slow and not really possible.. but as normal office pc and games like GTA5 on low graphics and Dying Light on medium/high graphics worked.

3 Gen old hm Okey.. jeah that's some money thing.
But upgraded it to i9

Jeah the case is one point. But I don't know which one I should choose because this looks cool but with the case I agree, there are better ones.

Why single channel? Do you mean because it's only 1?
I want to upgrade it in the future.

GPU upgraded to 4060

Low end - ok I don't know.
But why insufficient?
The configuration said maximum 300W and it hat 550W.

Why insufficient CPU cooler?
The configuration said it is Okey and I can't put a bigger one in.


Mhh. Jeah but I don't have that much money at the moment.

My "dream" pc was at about like 6500€..
Or if I had won in the lottery about like 20K.
Haha 😆

I think you may be confused about the configurator, it can't design a PC for you, that's not what it does, all it can do is tell you if something is physically incompatible, or because of chipset etc, it can't tell you if it's the right configuration for your useage requirements. It will also not know any future requirements you may have, so things like PSU are based on your current configuration which is irrelevant as you're designing the build with 10 years of updates in mind.

You seem to not understand what a generation of CPU means, it's not down to "jeah that's some money thing", it's not about money at all, if anything, buying current gen gets you more value because "usually" subsequent generations give more performance at the same level, so the 12900k would equal around the 14700k, obviously the lower tier, the lower the cost. That's how hardware works "generally", each refresh or generation leads to more performance at that tier. You don't buy old gen IMHO on a new system except under very unusual circumstances as it may be new to you, but the 12th gen are now 3 years old, so it's already 3 years closer to the age of retirement, so you reduce the lifespan of the system as a whole. But Intel are broken anyway whichever generation you go for, they're now the weak processors that you avoid at any cost.

We can't go into the "why's" of it all, there's so many factors you need to take in including transient spikes on the GPU which the configurator doesn’t account for either, you have to know things like 11th Gen intel performed worse than 10th gen, 14th gen intel is actually a refreshed 13th Gen, the 9900 cpus without the X on the end are actually optimised CPU's released later, people mistakenly think the additional X means it's a stronger processor, there are so so many unique factors to each hardware launch that you only know if you follow hardware closely and have historical knowledge to be able to decipher where a new release actually fits in the lineup.

You may be unaware also that 13th and 14th gen intel are broken at a silicon level, they're poor performers anyway, AMD are far better and generally cost less too

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Memory runs in dual channel (double data rate = ddr) so you lose quite a lot of performance if using a single stick. You should always have matched pairs anyway, having two individual sticks will reduce performance and could be unstable, especially at the optimal 6000MHz speeds. So you may buy one stick of 6000Mhz RAM now which works fine, then buy another stick later that works fine on it's own, yet when you pair them in the system, it's unstable. It's because the electrical properties of each RAM stick are slightly different, the only way to be sure they'll work together is buy a matched pair which come from the same silicon wafer, so they're as close as possible in electrical properties.

If you’re just looking for as cheap as possible on old hardware, then I would say a custom pc is not what you’re after, you’d get far better value from an old gen off the shelf system as they will be far more heavily reduced to clear stocks

 

[Ekans2011]

Hm Okey don't know in which context you mean 1080p

Gaming context, that's what we're talking about, aren't we?

I want to play game's in high end

normal office pc and games like GTA5 on low graphics and Dying Light on medium/high graphics worked.

What we’ve got here is failure to communicate... you want to play at a high level, but then you talk about GTA V in low detail on a 10 yo PC, I don't understand...

3 Gen old hm Okey.. jeah that's some money thing.
But upgraded it to i9

Why single channel? Do you mean because it's only 1?
I want to upgrade it in the future.

Low end - ok I don't know.
But why insufficient?
The configuration said maximum 300W and it hat 550W.

Why insufficient CPU cooler?
The configuration said it is Okey and I can't put a bigger one in.

@SpyderTracks has already detailed everything here. 🙌

GPU upgraded to 4060

The 4060 8GB GPU is already outdated for FHD/1080p, therefore how can it be used for 4K gaming?

Mhh. Jeah but I don't have that much money at the moment.

I don't mean to be rude, but my advice is to either set aside a greater budget or, as @Scoped Badger suggested, decrease your expectations and go for a low-end FHD/1080p system. It's up to you.