is this spec a good match?

[blindflightsimmer]

Hi. Have made an order for a pc and wanting to know if people would suggest any changes. I am looking for a moderately good pc to play flight sims and general use. Note I am a blind user, we have screenreading programs and everything, but this does mean I can turn graphics on games way down since they don't matter to me, so although the graphics card may be a bit weak for flight sims I think it will be more than enough with my settings down. I wanted a quiet pc with moderately good cooling, since with graphics down I don't expect to be ramming my components. If anyone has this case, could you describe in as much detail for me how to remove the side panel to remove the foam and things like that, since I'll be doing that myself and have no sight. Don't really want to spend more on this, but if there's any recommended upgrades I would consider it since I want this to last for years into the future.
spec:
Case
FRACTAL DEFINE 7 BLACK QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT Eight Core CPU (4.7GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® STRIX B550-F GAMING (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
NOT REQUIRED
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W CV SERIES™ CV-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
NONE
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 15 to 18 working days

 

[Stephen M]

AMD like fast RAM, upping that to 3200 or 3600 is a good idea. For only a five the Silver Warranty is worth it.

 

[blindflightsimmer]

AMD like fast RAM, upping that to 3200 or 3600 is a good idea. For only a five the Silver Warranty is worth it.

is 3200 mhz or 3600 mhz available currently? couldn't see it in the list to choose, maybe it's out of stock

 

[i_Ary]

is 3200 mhz or 3600 mhz available currently? couldn't see it in the list to choose, maybe it's out of stock

You have to keep scrolling down on the RAM until you can find 2 x 16 3200-3600 mhz

 

[blindflightsimmer]

You have to keep scrolling down on the RAM until you can find 2 x 16 3200-3600 mhz

the last thing on my list is 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz, doesn't go down any further.

 

[JUNI0R]

OP's original build re-created: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/nn8fTzaz72/ Price comes to £1,463

Hi. Have made an order for a pc and wanting to know if people would suggest any changes. I am looking for a moderately good pc to play flight sims and general use. Note I am a blind user, we have screenreading programs and everything, but this does mean I can turn graphics on games way down since they don't matter to me, so although the graphics card may be a bit weak for flight sims I think it will be more than enough with my settings down. I wanted a quiet pc with moderately good cooling, since with graphics down I don't expect to be ramming my components. If anyone has this case, could you describe in as much detail for me how to remove the side panel to remove the foam and things like that, since I'll be doing that myself and have no sight. Don't really want to spend more on this, but if there's any recommended upgrades I would consider it since I want this to last for years into the future.
spec:
Case
FRACTAL DEFINE 7 BLACK QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT Eight Core CPU (4.7GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® STRIX B550-F GAMING (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
NOT REQUIRED
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W CV SERIES™ CV-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
NONE
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 15 to 18 working days

Welcome to the forum! There's a few changes I'd make to this build that I've listed out

Change the Ryzen 7 to a Ryzen 5 5600X, the Ryzen 5 is a great chip for gaming and the Ryzen 7 isn't necessary
Change the RAM to 32gb 2x16gb 3200MHz speed
The Graphics card is a perfect choice
You may find 1TB a bit limiting space wise but for ease I've kept it to that. If you wanted more space we could change for a slower but larger drive
I have upgraded the Power Supply to a RMx 750W
I'd also suggest upgrading to the Silver warranty for only £5
The new price with those changes is £1449

Case
FRACTAL FOCUS G BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® STRIX B550-F GAMING (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 15 working days
Price: £1,449.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/9RTrGsNABz/

 

[JUNI0R]

the last thing on my list is 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz, doesn't go down any further.

This may be because you are on the home/ office Comuputers configuration site. If you change to the AMD Ryzen Extreme Computers, you'll be able to add faster RAM

 

[blindflightsimmer]

This may be because you are on the home/ office Comuputers configuration site. If you change to the AMD Ryzen Extreme Computers, you'll be able to add faster RAM

okay thanks. Is there any way to move my current order over there since I've already paid for it.

 

[Stephen M]

You will need to call PCS, unfortunately very long wait times at moment. I think they can transfer it, if not would need to cancel and place new order.

 

[JUNI0R]

okay thanks. Is there any way to move my current order over there since I've already paid for it.

I'm not sure, I don't think so. You might have to contact PC Specialist. If you do E-mails will take a few days to respond to and unless you call them when they open, call queues could last a few hours before you get to someone

 

[blindflightsimmer]

I'm not sure, I don't think so. You might have to contact PC Specialist. If you do E-mails will take a few days to respond to and unless you call them when they open, call queues could last a few hours before you get to someone

will give them a call and have them make the changes to a 5600X. is 3200mhz enough, saw some people saying moving up to 3600mhz doesn't make much of a difference. Also is the FRACTAL DEFINE 7 a good case or should I move it back to a cheaper FRACTAL case.

 

[JUNI0R]

will give them a call and have them make the changes to a 5600X. is 3200mhz enough, saw some people saying moving up to 3600mhz doesn't make much of a difference. Also is the FRACTAL DEFINE 7 a good case or should I move it back to a cheaper FRACTAL case.

If it fits in the budhet I'd definitely recommend upping to 3600mhz, should be a minimal change price wise but change how the build works a lot. And regarding case, the Define 7 is a lot more expensive for a case that has worse airflow. I'd keep the cheaper Fractal case!

 

[blindflightsimmer]

If it fits in the budhet I'd definitely recommend upping to 3600mhz, should be a minimal change price wise but change how the build works a lot. And regarding case, the Define 7 is a lot more expensive for a case that has worse airflow. I'd keep the cheaper Fractal case!

okay thanks. Now to see if I can get through in the next 3 hours

 

[JUNI0R]

okay thanks. Now to see if I can get through in the next 3 hours

Awesome, best of luck! Let us know how it goes, and what changes you make!

 

[blindflightsimmer]

Okay, so spoke to them, they can't transfer it so refunded it and I made a knew order with them on the phone, unfortunately that means a return to the start of the build time line but oh well. Here is what they recommended, as you can see some changes so would be interesting to get some opinions, didn't really need the 2060 super but the regular is out of stock.
Case
COOLERMASTER SILENCIO S600 QUIET MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS WiFi (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) -ARGB

32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
NOT REQUIRED
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R,

3300MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W CV SERIES™ CV-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 80 Series High Performance CPU Cooler (AMD)
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
2x 120mm Black Case Fan (configured to extract from rear/roof)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT

PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image -Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty 3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 15 working days

 

[blindflightsimmer]

Yeah I've heard so many different things about the define 7. I guess the question is should I just get the define 7 or stick with a lower end case and extra case fans.

 

[JUNI0R]

Okay, so spoke to them, they can't transfer it so refunded it and I made a knew order with them on the phone, unfortunately that means a return to the start of the build time line but oh well. Here is what they recommended, as you can see some changes so would be interesting to get some opinions, didn't really need the 2060 super but the regular is out of stock.
Case
COOLERMASTER SILENCIO S600 QUIET MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS WiFi (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) -ARGB

32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
NOT REQUIRED
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R,

3300MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W CV SERIES™ CV-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 80 Series High Performance CPU Cooler (AMD)
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
2x 120mm Black Case Fan (configured to extract from rear/roof)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT

PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image -Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty 3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 15 working days

Fantastic! I think I'd still suggest a very similar build to what I suggested before. Only difference I'd make is case choice if you're going for quietness. I'm struggling a little bit case wise but I've decided on a Corsair 4000D Airflow as it gives great airflow and comes with 2 Corsair fans. If you wanted to add 2 more fans, you could add some PCS own brand fans for £9 which might not be the quietest or some thermaltake fans which are £22 for one or £43 for 2, but these will definitely be quiet. The price without any additional fans is £1,452 and that's the spec I've linked at the bottom of this post

Case
CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® STRIX B550-F GAMING (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 15 working days
Price: £1,452.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/RaFvJ!Da2H/

 

[blindflightsimmer]

looks good. I guess you've not had good experiences with the define 7 case, some people recommend it highly but others say it's got terrible cooling so not sure, that's the one I'm on for now. Only other differences are I got 3600mhz ram, and the mother board comes with wi-fi so I didn't get a separate card.

 

[blindflightsimmer]

Fantastic! I think I'd still suggest a very similar build to what I suggested before. Only difference I'd make is case choice if you're going for quietness. I'm struggling a little bit case wise but I've decided on a Corsair 4000D Airflow as it gives great airflow and comes with 2 Corsair fans. If you wanted to add 2 more fans, you could add some PCS own brand fans for £9 which might not be the quietest or some thermaltake fans which are £22 for one or £43 for 2, but these will definitely be quiet. The price without any additional fans is £1,452 and that's the spec I've linked at the bottom of this post

Case
CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® STRIX B550-F GAMING (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 15 working days
Price: £1,452.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/RaFvJ!Da2H/

Oh and I also only have a generic 450W power supply just to save money and the configurator recommended it as a minimum.

 

[AgentCooper]

looks good. I guess you've not had good experiences with the define 7 case, some people recommend it highly but others say it's got terrible cooling

When it comes to the Fractal Define 7, it definitely does have the best airflow of a 'silent' case. However, there are always compromises when it comes to cases designed for quietness. To get the best possible cooling solution for the Fractal, an all-in-one liquid cooler really needs to be used. A standard fan cooler is just going to be blowing warm air around the case whereas an AIO will have a much better time of it.