Feels like I'm missing something?

[nate_96]

Hey, so this is my first "build" for a PC, I usually buy pre built ones, but was advised to build my own. I am very new to this and it is most definitely not my strong point as you might be able to tell. I feel like I may have missed something or something could do with a change. Any help is massively appreciated.

I plan to use the PC for gaming on GTA, Euro Truck, possibly flight simulator, etc.

Thank you for your time, have a great day!

Case
PCS SPECTRUM II ARGB MID TOWER CASE (PWM)
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Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 20-Core Processor i7-14700F (Up to 5.4GHz) 33MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B760-PLUS D4 (LGA1700, DDR4, PCIe 5.0)
Memory (RAM)
64GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200Mhz (2 x 32GB)
Graphics Card
16GB ZOTAC GEFORCE RTX 4060 Ti TWIN EDGE - HDMI, 3 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (3500 MB/R, 3100 MB/W)
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W CX SERIES™ CX-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 V3 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

 

[TonyCarter]

Firstly, what‘s your max budget, and what monitor is is being used with (make & model, or resolution & frequency)?

Secondly, an FYI, but MSFS is one of the greediest ‘games’ out there and will need a beefy CPU/GPU combo if your expecting 60FPS with everything at max.

Thirdly, Intel is pointless. Their fast chips are failing, and their newer ones have been hamstrung so they don’t fail. Everyone on here would suggest an AMD build at the moment.

Intel 13th and 14th Gen confirmed defective

So there's been a lot of upset gathering steam on the inter webs with intermittent games crashes on Intel 13th and 14th gen. Workarounds range from underclocking to disabling ecores. BUT, there are a lot of people finding that simply disabling hyperthreading is a proper solution. The findings...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

 

[nate_96]

Firstly, what‘s your max budget, and what monitor is is being used with (make & model, or resolution & frequency)?

Secondly, an FYI, but MSFS is one of the greediest ‘games’ out there and will need a beefy CPU/GPU combo if your expecting 60FPS with everything at max.

Thirdly, Intel is pointless. Their fast chips are failing, and their newer ones have been hamstrung so they don’t fail. Everyone on here would suggest an AMD build at the moment.

Intel 13th and 14th Gen confirmed defective

So there's been a lot of upset gathering steam on the inter webs with intermittent games crashes on Intel 13th and 14th gen. Workarounds range from underclocking to disabling ecores. BUT, there are a lot of people finding that simply disabling hyperthreading is a proper solution. The findings...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Thank you so much for your reply.

Was hoping to draw the line at around £1,700 but I feel like I may be heading into the lower end of 2k.

I wasn't aware of that, I appreciate the heads up and I shall get that changed. Are there any you would recommend?

My monitor is due an upgrade because it's an old LG DV3 TV/Monitor.

 

[TonyCarter]

A decent 1080p build is coming in at around £1700 currently; a 1440p one about £2100; a 4K one around £2600 - mainly due to the step up in GPU prices at each resolution.

New Nvidia GPUs have just come out (available end-Jan / early Feb depending on model), so they may be a worthwhile buy...or may make the previous gen cheaper if that's the choice...although there's nothing announced below 12gb 5070 at the moment (only 12gb 5070 @ £539, 16gb 5070Ti @ £729, 16gb 5080 @ £979, 32gb 5090 @ £1939).

 

[nate_96]

A decent 1080p build is coming in at around £1700 currently; a 1440p one about £2100; a 4K one around £2600 - mainly due to the step up in GPU prices at each resolution.

New Nvidia GPUs have just come out (available end-Jan / early Feb depending on model), so they may be a worthwhile buy...or may make the previous gen cheaper if that's the choice...although there's nothing announced below 12gb 5070 at the moment (only 12gb 5070 @ £539, 16gb 5070Ti @ £729, 16gb 5080 @ £979, 32gb 5090 @ £1939).

That's not bad at all. I was expecting more than that in all honesty.

Sorry for my hundreds of questions. Is it potentially worth picking out a pre built PC designed for MSFS and switch out the CPU

 

[Martinr36]

Sorry for my hundreds of questions. Is it potentially worth picking out a pre built PC designed for MSFS and switch out the CPU

That would be a no, the reason being that pre builds are built down to a price, so they might have let's say a fairly good CPU (to attract folk) but the rest of the build is only just good enough to support that cpu, so things like the PSU, motherboard etc don't allow for any future upgrades

 

[TonyCarter]

Sorry for my hundreds of questions. Is it potentially worth picking out a pre built PC designed for MSFS and switch out the CPU

NO!

Pre-builts tend to have headline-grabbing CPUs and GPUs, and are then very vague on what exactly the other components are.

For example (and this is all pre-built manufacturers, not just PCS):

• they'll advertise a 1TB SSD, and you'll assume it's a branded fast m.2 NVMe one, but it could easily be a slow SATA or slow NVMe one. Plus it'll usually be a single 1TB drive which would be used for everything...and thus risk losing everything if there's an issue;
• they'll advertise a case with lots of RGB, but won't tell you the make & model, so you won't know if the airflow/build quality is decent, or the RGB control software is flaky.
• they won't tell you the make/model of the PSU, and it will usually be the bare minimum to cover the advertised max power of the CPU/GPU - when we know these can easily spike to 2x their advertised power draw
• they won't tell you the make/model of the cooler, so it could be a £10 or £100 one (usually the former) and will 1) not cool effectively, 2) be noisier, as it it has to work harder, 3) break sooner - and hopefully doesn't kill your CPU at the same time (warranty would just replace like for like and you'd be in the same situation).

Some won't be like that, but it's very rare for the complete spec and all the details to be shown for pre-builts for you to make an informed decision. A custom-build allows you to specify each & every item to your requirements, and know if you've left room for upgrades in 3/5/7/9 years time.

 

[nate_96]

I really appreciate all the advice, thank you so much. Asides from the intel CPUs, would there be anything else to try and avoid/recommend having on.

 

[TonyCarter]

Once we know what monitor you're planning on, and what your max budget is, we can offer more advice...as everything is inter-linked.

So a more powerful CPU would need a better cooler; or bigger GPU might need a bigger case and more powerful PSU; lots of modern games require an SSD to run from rather than a HDD; etc.

 

[nate_96]

Once we know what monitor you're planning on, and what your max budget is, we can offer more advice...as everything is inter-linked.

So a more powerful CPU would need a better cooler; or bigger GPU might need a bigger case and more powerful PSU; lots of modern games require an SSD to run from rather than a HDD; etc.

Gone for a cheaper monitor (MSI 27" Pro MP275) not sure if I've done the right thing. I am happy to put a bit more towards a monitor if needs be (max £200). Preferably I'd be happy to keep it at £1,700 but whether that is enough for what I want is another thing so I'm happy to go up a little if needs be.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Gone for a cheaper monitor (MSI 27" Pro MP275) not sure if I've done the right thing. I am happy to put a bit more towards a monitor if needs be (max £200). Preferably I'd be happy to keep it at £1,700 but whether that is enough for what I want is another thing so I'm happy to go up a little if needs be.

So what’s the max budget?

 

[TonyCarter]

Gone for a cheaper monitor (MSI 27" Pro MP275) not sure if I've done the right thing. I am happy to put a bit more towards a monitor if needs be (max £200). Preferably I'd be happy to keep it at £1,700 but whether that is enough for what I want is another thing so I'm happy to go up a little if needs be.

That’s a 1080p business monitor, not a gaming monitor…

https://www.msi.com/Business-Productivity-Monitor/PRO-MP275

 

[nate_96]

So what’s the max budget?

£1,850

That’s a 1080p business monitor, not a gaming monitor…

https://www.msi.com/Business-Productivity-Monitor/PRO-MP275

Lesson learnt, rushing and going off the first thing you see just isn't the right option

Not sure if this one is any good. I didn't really factor in getting a new monitor. 27" FHD 180Hz gaming monitor | 1ms, MBR HDR 10. Hoping this okay for the time being

 

[nate_96]

Hi,

After my previous post and having no idea, truthfully, I still don't have a clue. I did take on the advice, sought further advice and did a bit of research, I'm not sure if I've made any progress or gone back down the same road.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

 

[TonyCarter]

For a 1080p build you're considerably over-speccing the GPU, and the savings from that would help elsewhere.

I've asked for this post to be merged with your original one, and we can build something from the configurator there...

 

[TonyCarter]

Case
CORSAIR 4000D RGB AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE - decent case with RGB fans included (seem to be a lot of black case alternatives missing at the moment)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5) - the best performing gaming CPU at the moment and will easily keep up with the GPU
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6) - we try to stay away from the budget Prime motherboards except for office/productivity use cases
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB) - perfect
Graphics Card
16GB XFX RADEON™ RX 7600 XT SWFT - HDMI, 3 x DP - high FPS 1080p GPU
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW) - small, fast primary drive for Windows and your apps/launchers only
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W) - secondary drive for game installs / document folders to keep them from clogging/slowing the boot drive...and so you don't lose them should you need to rebuild your Windows drive
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ ATX 3.1, MODULAR, CYBENETICS GOLD - newer ATX3.1 PSU, which gives room for a 1440p/4k GPU upgrade down the line
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR ICUE LINK TITAN 280 RX RGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER - newest Corsair offering, as powerful as the 360mm version but uses 2 larger fans, so runs quieter
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price: £1,884.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/hZYDPFPmhJ/

 

[nate_96]

For a 1080p build you're considerably over-speccing the GPU, and the savings from that would help elsewhere.

I've asked for this post to be merged with your original one, and we can build something from the configurator there..

What would be a more appropriate alternative?

Thank you very much!.

 

[nate_96]

Case
CORSAIR 4000D RGB AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE - decent case with RGB fans included (seem to be a lot of black case alternatives missing at the moment)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core CPU (Up to 5.2GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5) - the best performing gaming CPU at the moment and will easily keep up with the GPU
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6) - we try to stay away from the budget Prime motherboards except for office/productivity use cases
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB) - perfect
Graphics Card
16GB XFX RADEON™ RX 7600 XT SWFT - HDMI, 3 x DP - high FPS 1080p GPU
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW) - small, fast primary drive for Windows and your apps/launchers only
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W) - secondary drive for game installs / document folders to keep them from clogging/slowing the boot drive...and so you don't lose them should you need to rebuild your Windows drive
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ ATX 3.1, MODULAR, CYBENETICS GOLD - newer ATX3.1 PSU, which gives room for a 1440p/4k GPU upgrade down the line
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR ICUE LINK TITAN 280 RX RGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER - newest Corsair offering, as powerful as the 360mm version but uses 2 larger fans, so runs quieter
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price: £1,884.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/hZYDPFPmhJ/

I'm So sorry, I've been bogged down with work last couple of days and playing catch up now. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for helping me put this together, I really appreciate your time!.