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SpyderTracks

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LTT weighs in too.


I think this is rather premature though. Intel are set to release 15th Gen between October and December, I have no idea how their fab lineup has been, or if there have been any hold ups, I know they've generally had to delay this release from years ago.

BUT 15th Gen is an entirely new architecture, moving to tile based layout, but also, and more importantly, they're moving from 10nm on Intel 14th Gen, down to possibly even a 2nm node but certainly 3nm, whereas their current 14th gen is on 7nm, and Intels 9000 series are confirmed to be on 4nm.

Now purely from a node size, Intel should have a potential gain over AMD, it's weather the new tile based design can maximise that efficiency or not. Given Intels history, I'm not so sure, but it's too early to be thinking AMD are just going to outright destroy them. And this 2nm node if they do make it work on that, I can't see that having particularly good yields for at least the first 6 months so expect prices to be high until refreshed chips roll out, the lower down you go in node size, the less yields you tend to get until the bugs are ironed out in later tooling. Apple are getting the first batches of 2nm though for their M5 chips, so perhaps by the time they fab Intels chips, the yields will be better.

And I don't know why, this is just the ludicrously distrusting side of me, but this particular chip design for 15th Gen is just so outside of what Intel have done before, I do wonder if they've called in a favour and paid Apple for consultation on the design. I'm not sure if Apple would even entertain them at that kind of level with how badly Intel let them down on Intel Macs, but it's just weird similarities between Apple Silicon and 15th gen design.

I never understand that when Red or Blue release new chips and they're compared against the current gen, that's not really valid, AMD 9000 should be compared to Intel 15th Gen, they're equal release cycles, even if AMD has jumped the gun by 2 months this time round.
 
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HomerJ

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SpyderTracks said:
LTT weighs in too.


I think this is rather premature though. Intel are set to release 15th Gen between October and December, I have no idea how their fab lineup has been, or if there have been any hold ups, I know they've generally had to delay this release from years ago.

BUT 15th Gen is an entirely new architecture, moving to tile based layout, but also, and more importantly, they're moving from 10nm on Intel 14th Gen, down to possibly even a 2nm node but certainly 3nm, whereas their current 14th gen is on 7nm, and Intels 9000 series are confirmed to be on 4nm.

Now purely from a node size, Intel should have a potential gain over AMD, it's weather the new tile based design can maximise that efficiency or not. Given Intels history, I'm not so sure, but it's too early to be thinking AMD are just going to outright destroy them. And this 2nm node if they do make it work on that, I can't see that having particularly good yields for at least the first 6 months so expect prices to be high until refreshed chips roll out, the lower down you go in node size, the less yields you tend to get until the bugs are ironed out in later tooling. Apple are getting the first batches of 2nm though for their M5 chips, so perhaps by the time they fab Intels chips, the yields will be better.

And I don't know why, this is just the ludicrously distrusting side of me, but this particular chip design for 15th Gen is just so outside of what Intel have done before, I do wonder if they've called in a favour and paid Apple for consultation on the design. I'm not sure if Apple would even entertain them at that kind of level with how badly Intel let them down on Intel Macs, but it's just weird similarities between Apple Silicon and 15th gen design.

I never understand that when Red or Blue release new chips and they're compared against the current gen, that's not really valid, AMD 9000 should be compared to Intel 15th Gen, they're equal release cycles, even if AMD has jumped the gun by 2 months this time round.
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homer wants to see intels temps, if it burns homers house down then we are going in the wrong direction
 
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What Intel will have to do to compete with AMD now is to provide multi-year, multi-generation CPU upgrades on the same platform (i.e. from B860/X890), whilst also ensuring their real generational IPC uplift is at least 10-15% (rather than their spurious marketing claims), whilst not having to draw 1KW and melting your substrate, motherboard, PC case.
 
Scott

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I think this is a free hit for AMD to be honest. The fight is almost always gaming, and AMD have the X3D up their sleeve for the opportunity to counter what Intel have.

Even if they don't destroy Intel, they'll certainly have the upper hand as I have no doubt there will be teething issues with the latest gen from Intel. I don't think there's a single manufacturer that hasn't had issues on first launches of new products / platforms. AMD are tried and tested with their technology now, and as much as this latest CPU range is new..... it's on well known architecture with incremental improvements.

As always, we will just need to wait and see. Intel have left a very bad taste in the world for anyone with their finger on the pulse so it will take some time to mend those fences. They've literally burned bridges.

It was really good to see AMD cement the 2027+ timeline into place for AM5 support. My guess is that 2027 is going to be the major platform upgrade with the + referring to new products sill being released similar to the AM4 nod. I'm happy enough with that to be honest, 5 years is reasonable for the latest and greatest. Buying smart in 2027 should see me get at least another 3 years out of my rig which is a 7 year cycle for high end gaming/performance.

Without having to splurge on an entirely new system it means I'll likely consider the X950X3D when the time comes. It doesn't seem as much of an outlay.

In another note.... did you see the power difference between the 9700 & 9900? I think that's quite significant which may suggest a higher all core frequency than previously seen. That's a very good thing as it shows some honesty on the TDP requirements (or closer to reality than they typically are).
 
SpyderTracks

SpyderTracks

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Gonna post these here rather than the computex thread as intricately related. This bodes well for the upcoming motherboard designs but I am worried about pricing!

Skip to 5:00 in for the taichi aqua which is the top tier: 33 110A power stages, and ONLY USB C, 10 of them, 2 being thunderbolt! Holy gods!

 
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