Another spec check thread.

[tshayter]

As this is no longer relevant for the old thread that it was in due to the question moving from 'What case to get' to 'overall opinions on the set up' (although I suppose in a way they're the same question) I'll post my current pc plans here.

The PC is for some pretty top end gaming and I'm not concerned with overkilling parts of it as I will likely find a use for anything going 'spare'. I will not likely be upgrading or adding to this PC for a very long time which is another reason for me not minding a bit of overkill as it should, in theory, keep my PC up top for longer as system requirements for maximum performance keep increasing. Budget is roughly around 3000 Euro.

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Case
Coolermaster CM Storm Trooper

Processor
Intel Core i7 Quad Core Processor i7-4790k (4.00GHz) 8mb Cache

Motherboard
ASUS Maximus VII GENE: RoG, PCI-e 3.0, SATA 3.0, USB3.0

Memory
32GB Kingston Hyper-X Beast Dual DDR3 2133MHz X.M.P (4x8GM KIT)

Graphics card #1
4GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 - 1 DVI, mHDMI, 3 mDP - 3D Vision Ready

Graphics card #2
4GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 - 1 DVI, mHDMI, 3 mDP - 3D Vision Ready

1st Hard Disk
480GB Kingston HyperX 3k SSD, SATA 6 gb/s (upto 540MB/sR l 450MB/sW)

2nd Hard Disk
4TB WD Caviar Black WD4003FZEX, STATA 6 Gb/s, 65MB Cache (7200rpm)

3rd Hard Disk
4TB WD Caviar Black WD4003FZEX, STATA 6 Gb/s, 65MB Cache (7200rpm)

Disc Drive
16x Blu-Ray Writer Drive, 16x DVD +R/+RW

Power Supply
Corsair 850w RM Series Modular 80 Plus Gold, Ultra Quiet.

Cooling
Corsair H100i Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler

Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit w/SP1

Sound
Onboard 6 Channel (5.1) High Def Audio (as standard)

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Thoughts (yes, some of this is copypasta from my old thread):

The hard discs should be nice and fast for gaming and provide me with enough storage to last me a decent while. The PSU is apparently more than required however for the small amount of extra dosh going from a 750-850w it's something I can easily do, more so as it leaves me the option to add an additional drive later on.

The blu-ray player should be nice if I want to watch anything fancy (as I frequently watch shows on my pc anyway).

The memory is overkill I know but I will likely find uses for it so I'm not too worried (and who doesn't like to say '32 gig ram' lol).

I think from what I've been able to research online that dual 970's will be better than a single 980. I may come across a bit of stutter sometimes with SLI setups that I'll need to wait to be patched away however I should always be able to just disable SLI and run a single 970 as lets be honest, even a single 970 will still blow my current GTX 275 out the water. A single 970 will still be very good at running games if I do have to disable one for a specific game so I'm not too worried.

Sound is one thing I could perhaps improve on however sound cards are one of parts where my knowledge is weakest so I'm not sure what the difference is between the onboard card and any actual slotted sound cards. I know physical cards should be better but I'm not sure is it something that's really necessary to have compared to the default option as I'm not going to be playing this in a theatre. My current pc just uses the onboard sound card and with my speakers, I've never sat there and noticed any audio distortion or quality drop at any volume.

All in all I'm fairly excited for this build as it's been about 6 years since my pc got named 'the beast' by my friends. Lately I think it's become more of 'the faithful old fella' who'll still see action as I'll be giving it over to my girlfriend but as it's still likely around a month or so before I place an order I'm still open to suggestions. Though as I've probably said a million times, I don't mind the parts of the spec that are overkilled even if they wont be of much use to me just this second as they'll perhaps become more useful over time, I hope.

Thanks for reading. What do you think?

 

[tshayter]

:hang:

I'm going to guess that the lack of any response from anyone is a good sign?

 

[mantadog]

Ehm, il have a stab...

I don't have much time to go through everything in detail but I'd advise a single 980, add a 2nd later if and whne needed, or just opt for the latest top tier card available. Dual cards are loud and have driver issues/conflicts with some games.

if you have 3k euro to spend I'd consider an x99 build.especially if you plan to keep it for a long long time, things like DDR4 etc is only supported by x99 at the moment, along with more cores on the CPU's etc its going to be more futureproof. Quadcore has been around for a while now, I don't think it will be too long before we are looking at 6-8 cores as a bit more of a norm.

 

[tshayter]

Heya, thanks for replying

My thoughts on a single 980 vs two 970's seem to be fairly decently swung in faviour of the 970's. The internet really seems to like two 970's over a single 980 and I know I won't really ever dump that much money later down the line in order to buy a 2nd 980 so my attempts here are to future proof for as long as I can with a single build, no changes later on. Once I get this PC my money will be going straight back to bills for the foreseeable future hehe.

I have just looked into a x99 build as per your suggestion but the base clock speeds of the i7-5k range do seem to be quite a bit lower than the i7-4790k and after a little goggling of comparisons, the i7-4790k does seem to win when it comes to extreme gaming due to the faster core speeds. This was comparing between that and the i7-5820k as that is the only CPU for a x99 mobo that fits in my budget.

You are right that quad core has been out for a while (I remember the days when It was new and how insane it sounded to run 4 cores) and I was originally looking into an 8 core CPU but after spending a lot of time on google it appears that most games don't really support that many cores and a lot of these higher core CPUs do seem to run at lower base clock speeds which are not as good (from what I can tell from my internetting) as fewer cored, faster clocked CPUs... that is at least for extreme gaming. They do appear to be much more superior if you do a lot of graphic rendering or video editing etc but that's not the main aim of my build.

I also hear what you're saying about SLI issues and this is something that concerns me to some extent however as time goes on these issues should get less and less when the drivers get updated. This does lessen the blow of running SLI compared to a single, more powerful GPU because it's almost a win-win situation. I think that even if a new game has unplayable levels of issues with SLI, I can always disable SLI for that game and lets be honest, a single 970 should still be very good. Of course once newer drivers are released, I can enable SLI again and start laughing as I enjoy a higher level of performance than a single 980 with my two 970's. This is also not even mentioning the fact that any 'new' games may already perform rather well with SLI by default in which case I can enjoy both GPU's from the get go. At least that's the theory.

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Anyway, thanks again for replying. It'll still be some time before I actually make the order so I do have the time to think of alternative options and I do like to hear other opinions. I hope the reasoning behind my plans is well founded and sensical though of course I am open to hearing of any horrible mistakes in my theories.

I would love to see what you and anyone else thinks

 

[mantadog]

It's not a cut and dry thing like x is better than Y.

This would be my suggestion, I know it goes against much of what you said above butif your spending 3k euro on a gaming machine, you might as well go for top end stuff.


Case
COOLERMASTER CM STORM TROOPER - GAMING ENTHUSIAST CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Six Core Processor i7-5820K (3.3GHz) 15MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® X99-S: ATX, HSW-E CPU, USB 3.0, SATA 6 GB/s
Memory (RAM)
16GB KINGSTON HYPER-X PREDATOR QUAD-DDR4 2400MHz X.M.P (4 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 970 - 1 DVI, 1 mHDMI, 3 mDP - 3D Vision Ready
Free Item
FREE PICK YOUR PATH DIGITAL VOUCHER with GTX 780 / 780Ti /970 / 980 GPUs!
2nd Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 970 - 1 DVI, 1 mHDMI, 3 mDP - 3D Vision Ready
Free Item
FREE PICK YOUR PATH DIGITAL VOUCHER with GTX 780 / 780Ti /970 / 980 GPUs!
1st Hard Disk
250GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
4TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD4003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
3rd Hard Disk
4TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD4003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
16x BLU-RAY WRITER DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW
Memory Card Reader
INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W CS SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (€101)
Processor Cooling
Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler (€25)
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND (€12)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 6 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
Genuine Windows 8.1 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (€101)
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365
Anti-Virus
BULLGUARD INTERNET SECURITY - FREE 90 DAY TRIAL
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days
Quantity
1

Price: €2,747.00 including VAT and delivery.

Unique URL to re-configure: http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-x99-pc/Loe2fn9Fxp/

 

[tshayter]

What can you do with my budget? (€3100 max)

Hello, is it me you're looking for? Well probably not but I'm here again.

<I've been away for Christmas as I suppose most of us have but I hope everyone had a nice time>

Anywho... I'm still trying to decide on what set up I should go for and thought I would try a different tactic (if that's okay). The idea comes from the fact that some of you guys who frequent this site more than most will very likely know an awful lot more about what is and what isn't good when it comes to extreme gaming pcs compared to me.

So without further ado, If I say that I have a budget of a maximum €3100 (including the €50 postage cost to get it to me), what is the best pc, for extreme gaming (that'll also last as long as it can at running basically any game and max-near max settings with a high fps) you can make using as much of that budget as you like? Now the are a few rules to this which I will now go over:

1) Due to my current situation, It will be very unlikely that I will be able to upgrade or add any additional parts to this system for many years so anything that is built with the idea that 'you can just add X later on' wont work. It'll have to be the best it can be, for the money, for the time.

2) I would like a nice sized primary drive and two 4TB or so internal drives. The first 4tb HD will be for installing all my games and the second will most likely be used for storage.

3) Perhaps if you could explain a few things about the build as to why you picked X over Y and things like that so I might get a good understanding of why that build will be so good, I would be thankful.

4) Oh and no windows 8 please hehe

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Now I know this might come across as being a little on the nose as I'm basically asking if someone can 'do it all for me' and I'm not sure how accepted these sorts of requests are but this will be a rather hefty investment on my part and gaming is my main hobby so I just want to make sure I get this right. Mantadog I know you already created a build for me in a previous thread of mine which I appreciate but I suppose the old one did have a lot more restrictions on it so this might be better (I also wouldn't mind any second opinions - not because I think you're rubbish but just in an attempt to 'be clever about this' hehe).

I also know that I might be asking for a lot of time from anyone reading this but I'm just really trying to make sure I'm making the right decision when I actually make the order and I would hugely appreciate seeing what lots of you are able to come up with using €3100. I would really really really appreciate anyone who wants to have a shot at this

Thanks!

Edit: To address FusRoDah's questions: I only require a new desktop, everything else I will be taking from my current system. Right now my monitor is a 1920x1080 so gaming at 1080p.

 

[keynes]

Mantadog I know you already created a build for me in a previous thread of mine which I appreciate but I suppose the old one did have a lot more restrictions on it so this might be better (I also wouldn't mind any second opinions - not because I think you're rubbish but just in an attempt to 'be clever about this' hehe).

Why not just update your original thread so others don't repeat the same comments as before

1) Due to my current situation, It will be very unlikely that I will be able to upgrade or add any additional parts to this system for many years so anything that is built with the idea that 'you can just add X later on' wont work. It'll have to be the best it can be, for the money, for the time.

As you mentioned it is a heavy investment, i wouldn't suggest trying to futureproof in one go but just get what you need. E.g no need for more than 8gb ram now or a 2nd gpu if you are gaming at 1920x1080 in one screen.

 

[FusRoDah]

Do you need peripherals (keyboard/mouse/monitor etc)?

What resolution are you going to be gaming at?

Hello, is it me you're looking for? Well probably not but I'm here again.

<I've been away for Christmas as I suppose most of us have but I hope everyone had a nice time>

Anywho... I'm still trying to decide on what set up I should go for and thought I would try a different tactic (if that's okay). The idea comes from the fact that some of you guys who frequent this site more than most will very likely know an awful lot more about what is and what isn't good when it comes to extreme gaming pcs compared to me.

So without further ado, If I say that I have a budget of a maximum €3100 (including the €50 postage cost to get it to me), what is the best pc, for extreme gaming (that'll also last as long as it can at running basically any game and max-near max settings with a high fps) you can make using as much of that budget as you like? Now the are a few rules to this which I will now go over:

1) Due to my current situation, It will be very unlikely that I will be able to upgrade or add any additional parts to this system for many years so anything that is built with the idea that 'you can just add X later on' wont work. It'll have to be the best it can be, for the money, for the time.

2) I would like a nice sized primary drive and two 4TB or so internal drives. The first 4tb HD will be for installing all my games and the second will most likely be used for storage.

3) Perhaps if you could explain a few things about the build as to why you picked X over Y and things like that so I might get a good understanding of why that build will be so good, I would be thankful.

4) Oh and no windows 8 please hehe

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Now I know this might come across as being a little on the nose as I'm basically asking if someone can 'do it all for me' and I'm not sure how accepted these sorts of requests are but this will be a rather hefty investment on my part and gaming is my main hobby so I just want to make sure I get this right. Mantadog I know you already created a build for me in a previous thread of mine which I appreciate but I suppose the old one did have a lot more restrictions on it so this might be better (I also wouldn't mind any second opinions - not because I think you're rubbish but just in an attempt to 'be clever about this' hehe).

I also know that I might be asking for a lot of time from anyone reading this but I'm just really trying to make sure I'm making the right decision when I actually make the order and I would hugely appreciate seeing what lots of you are able to come up with using €3100. I would really really really appreciate anyone who wants to have a shot at this

Thanks!

 

[tshayter]

Why not just update your original thread so others don't repeat the same comments as before

As you mentioned it is a heavy investment, i wouldn't suggest trying to futureproof in one go but just get what you need. E.g no need for more than 8gb ram now or a 2nd gpu if you are gaming at 1920x1080 in one screen.

The previous thread was in the 'check out this spec' part of the forum and was about a spec I had listed. I would think that this warrants a different thread in a different part of the forum as it has nothing to do with my previous spec and isn't really a 'check out this spec' thread if it has no spec to check out. This is a 'can you help me build a nice spec with my budget' thread.

I do get your second point although it does basically seem to boil down to 'don't be in that situation'. The problem is that... thems just the breaks. The situation wont change and I know it's not the best way to go about things normally but normally you wouldn't be getting a pc that you wont be putting more money into later on - at least not for a few years. This is why I'm trying to get the best pc for my budget as of this time. Plus even if I were to make any additions or changes in 3-4 years, having a better pc now would make less work later on as great parts today will still be good parts later on (compared to good parts today becoming bad parts later on).

Edit: Ah I see the threads have been merged. That's fine. I just thought it made more sense to make it a new thread as I didn't think it belonged in that section.

I've also answered FusRoDah's questions via edit in post #6

 

[mantadog]

I still think the spec I posted is about as good as it gets... really you wont get much more bang for your buck without dual 980's.

 

[tshayter]

I still think the spec I posted is about as good as it gets... really you wont get much more bang for your buck without dual 980's.

Heya. Thanks for the reply. I've been looking into the spec you suggested and played with a few things (mostly unimportant ones like OS and whatnot) so now it looks like:

Case
COOLERMASTER CM STORM TROOPER - GAMING ENTHUSIAST CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Six Core Processor i7-5930K (3.5GHz) 15MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® X99-S: ATX, HSW-E CPU, USB 3.0, SATA 6 GB/s
Memory (RAM)
16GB KINGSTON HYPER-X PREDATOR QUAD-DDR4 3000MHz X.M.P (4 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 970 - 1 DVI, 1 mHDMI, 3 mDP - 3D Vision Ready
2nd Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 970 - 1 DVI, 1 mHDMI, 3 mDP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
250GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
4TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD4003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
3rd Hard Disk
4TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD4003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
16x BLU-RAY WRITER DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW
Memory Card Reader
INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (141 €)
Processor Cooling
Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler (25 €)
Extra Case Fans
2 x 12CM Black Case Fan (configured to extract from rear/roof) (12 €)
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND (12 €)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 6 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit w/SP1 - inc DVD & Licence (141 €)
Office Software
NO OFFICE SOFTWARE
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour) (17 €)
Delivery
4 - 5 DAY DELIVERY TO FINLAND (50 €)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days
Quantity
1

Price: 3 161,00 € including VAT and delivery.

Unique URL to re-configure: http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-x99-pc/WqZ4CX6Ka6/

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So, the major changes have been upping the PSU as the system checker estimates that the system will need around 745w which is rather close to the 750w PSU (I know it is factoring in some leg room but I recon I'll be safer with an 850w + if I win the lottery and decide to add another drive I'll need more power). I also decided to whack on 2 extra case fans as I guess you can't really have too many and it should ensure that the system will be nicely cooled.

The biggest change however was going from an i7-5820k to an i7-5930k. The main reason behind my thinking is that the 5930 has a little bit more clock speed that I think should work out better in the long run? At least as far as I can tell.

Oh I've just noticed that I forgot to change back the memory. The current one I had selected was the DDR4 3000MHz but I remember that I needed to ask to make sure that the 3000MHz is better than the 2400MHz you suggested. My guess is that the 3000 will just be faster?

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Now I've done a lot of googling however comparing the i7-4790k with the i7-5820k (but mostly vs the i7-5930k) with some interesting results. I hope it's okay that I put links to these sites by the way but I can remove them if it's not ok.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/592/Intel_Core_i7_i7-4790K_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-5930K.html - This site gives some interesting pros/cons of both the CPUs with the 4790 only having less cores and fewer threads as drawbacks. Now I'm not an expert so I'm not sure how important that really is for gaming but I have read a lot of sites/posts that comment with the notion that you're only going to be needing a vast amount of cores if you plan to do a lot of intensive things at once but If I'm mostly just planning to play some games I rarely do so with more than one game at once (I don't multibox anything). This makes the faster clocked, fewer cored 4790 seem like a better idea? I could do with some more clarity on the subject though I admit.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-5930K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K/2578vs2384 - This site displays a lot of information about the two CPUs as well but straight off the bat I notice that the 5930k has been given an average score of 64 out of 472 user reviews compared to the score of 73 from 2915 reviews. I know these are just numbers but they do make things more confusing for me as there does seem to be a clear difference.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2368534/4790k-5930k-5820k.html - Here one guy is asking what is best to get and is met with a response of 'best cpu for multitasking is the 5930k' and from someone else (for gaming) 'Under those usecases, go with the 4790K 100%. The other chips provide less gaming benefit, and no distinguishable boost to desktop multitasking. If you were doing large file conversions or using some designer/rendering software...there might be justification.'

Now to be fair this site https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/203203/i7-4790k-or-i7-5930k does seem to sway in faviour of the 5930 and there is a lot of talk about it being the much better choice for future proofing as I suppose both the 4790 and the 5930 are very good CPUs but DDR4 should start becoming more and more important as games progress. Although there does seem to be a real question of 'Will games be able to make use of the extra cores and benefit more because of that compared to fewer but faster cores?' I suppose in time more and more games should start supporting more and more cores though.

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As you might be able to tell I am finding this rather hard to sort out. When I bought my first (and current) desktop my knowledge was really low and as I leant more and more about computers I started to realise I should have made some changes. As I'm still not an expert yet I'm just very concerned about making sure I don't make the same mistakes again. Trying to research it on google still leaves me extremely torn between the two. This is why I hugely appreciate you guys taking the time to help out

If I were to side with the i7-5930k with DDR4, is the modification of the spec I've just posted actually good? Are there any super obvious flaws? I just want to be able to play any game I fancy at really nice graphical settings while getting a really good fps for as long of a time as I can before the slow yet inevitable growth of system requirements for maximum gaming turns my computer into Microsoft Potato again.

Thanks!

Edit: Oh and I just remembered: Would the triple copper heat pipe still be good with the i7-5930k or would I start needing to get some liquid cooling?

 

[keynes]

The i7-4790 would be a better choice for a gaming pc (solely gaming and not editing). I wouldn't check cpu-world.com or cpu.userbenchmark but benchmarks for gaming. More games will definitely start using more cores but by the time that takes place your system would likely need an upgrade. Higher memory bandwidth is not going to provide any benefits for gaming, anything higher than 1600mhz is not needed. Getting a better gpu like the gtx 980 will be a more/better improvement for gaming than having an i7-5820k, i7-5930k or 3000mhz ram. Same with windows professional, won't provide any benefits for the average user. While I understand you want a fast system I again wouldn't spend a lot of money for components that won't benefit you but instead spend sensibly and replace/upgrade components in a couple of years. Newer gpus will be released and having a better monitor with higher resolution will take full advantage of the 2 x GTX 970s, it seems like a waste for a single 1920x1080 monitor.

 

[tshayter]

Yeah this does seem to be quite a common opinion from what I've been able to find online which is making my life harder hehe.

The windows professional is there only so I can up the memory at some point if I ever decide to make an improvement (as memory isn't that expensive generally) and home premium only supports up to 16gb RAM. In terms of monitors, they're also generally far cheaper than other parts so I might go for a bigger size for a birthday or something eventually (or if my current monitor decides to die for reals I will likely replace it with bigger rather than another of the same size). I do still hear you about the 980 and although two 970s might be too much for my current gaming lifestyle, they still sound like the better choice over a single 980 as dual 980's isn't really going to be an option for me unfortunately due to how much more costly they are.

As you seem to faviour the i7-4790k - which I admit I was getting rather attached to hehe, what are your thoughts on the spec I listed in OP? Other than not needing that much memory or a 2nd GPU for my monitor as things like that are more able to be useful later on down the line compared to say, a worse CPU for gaming which requires actual replacement (in contrast to additional memory or GPUs just not being used that much right now but might be able to be used later).

I don't know, out of 10 or how kick ass or rubbish does it sound for pc gaming or something? If you were to ignore everything else about what monitor or keyboard I have or cereal I eat I suppose what I'm wanting to know is whether or not it's super damn good and if not, why?

Thanks again

Edit: I'm thinking again about the sli 970's vs a single 980 and I suppose although I might be able to upgrade the 980 later on with something newer and better, I'm not really the type who will upgrade a part that works perfectly fine (albeit a little bit dated) for something just a bit newer. Even more so when you consider the prices of such things. My current GTX 275 still runs a lot of games really well (like skyrim) so I can think that in some years my poor old dual 970's will still be pulling their weight but just a little bit more than what a single 980 could do. At least in my hopes they do hehe

I don't know. Maybe I should go for a single 980 :s

 

[rn1]

Hi

I have noticed that you are in Finland ( im not sure what plug sockets you use) but the builds suggested contain UK power leads. I thought I would mention this in case you haven't noticed to save any issues later on.

Also, what about going for a 3k or 4k monitor? You said alot about wanting to future proof etc, did you consider a 3k or 4k monitor? Or to take advantage of the graphics cards going multi screen

 

[mantadog]

Hi

I have noticed that you are in Finland ( im not sure what plug sockets you use) but the builds suggested contain UK power leads. I thought I would mention this in case you haven't noticed to save any issues later on.

Also, what about going for a 3k or 4k monitor? You said alot about wanting to future proof etc, did you consider a 3k or 4k monitor? Or to take advantage of the graphics cards going multi screen

Its just a standard kettle lead so you would be able to pick one up in finland that would fit im sure.

 

[tshayter]

Heya, thanks for your concern rn1

I did purposefully select a UK power cable (Finland uses the standard 2 prong EU plug system) as I moved my current PC from England so everything is using UK plugs which I run through a surge protector that goes through a converter (which I guess might be a bad thing but I've never had any problems). I will likely keep doing the same thing because there are only 2 EU sockets where I plug my PC in and one is taken for the router so it's just easier to run the rest on my UK extension lead.

However at some point down the line my PC might be in a different place (if I move again or something) which is why I had that other thread asking about how to get more than one power cable with an order

As for 3 or 4k, It might be something that'll happen in the future. I have said quite a few times that I don't plan on spending any more money on my PC once I buy it but a new monitor isn't usually as expensive as a 2nd GTX 980 or something and my current Hanns.G monitor has failed in the past and required sending of for repairs. That was done in England however and while it was still under warranty so if it dies again I will just buy a replacement and if I have to replace something I'll always try to improve on the old so I will get a much bigger monitor then

Untill then I will probably just go with my overkill setup on my 1080p monitor hehe.

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I was also doing a lot more thinking and researching as I will be placing my order as soon as I get the transfer done between my English and Finnish bank accounts and I will probably go for the spec listed in the OP. I know Mantadog disagrees with that spec in favor of another but all the internetting I've done has listed my original spec at a much higher score for gaming which is really all I want from it. All in all both specs are very good but the i7-4790k seems to be fairly hard to beat for (just) gaming in this price range.

 

[keynes]

Not only Mantadog, I don't think it is an optimal choice for your budget. You can get an i7-4790 + 2 gtx 980s and still spend less and be fairly superior to the one you posted. I haven't looked at cpu benchmarks for gaming lately but last time I did it indicated the i7-4790 being similarly good if not better than the i7-5930k for gaming. If you are doing editing or more cpu intensive tasks then you can fully exploit the i7-5930k, it is also unlock for overclocking but with not a suitable cpu cooler. By the time your system requires more than 16gb ram you are likely to need a whole new system for high end gaming. If you are happy with your choices after doing your research then go for it, we just have different views.

 

[tshayter]

Well you are the experts (I hope hehe). I'm just trying to work out what's what with a lot of this stuff. Would you be able to post a spec you think is good for that budget Keynes? I would appreciate seeing what you think would be a good option for me

Hmm I guess i should add some more details.

I don't really plan on doing a whole lot else with this computer other than playing games. I might host some small fry multiplayer servers for me and a couple of my friends now and then but we're talking minecraft level most likely. I do some photoshop now and then too but nothing big and I would like to do some recording and video editing for youtube and stuff at some point but probably not for a long while. Ultimately I just want to be able to play whatever I want pretty much without having to see my fps getting rekt (at high graphical settings that is).

Oh and as for the video editing, I don't really mind using a certain spec that's better for games even if it would mean compiling videos would take a bit longer or something. Playing the games on high is literally like 90% of the purpose of this machine with the other 10% being for other stuff that I probably wont even be doing for such a long time.

Oh and I will want to get a bigger monitor at some point so I don't play to be gaming at 1080p forever.

I guess I would be silly to ignore all your advice

 

[tshayter]

The spec I was referring to a couple of posts back when talking about the spec I will likely now order was the one I listed in OP with the i7-4790k, not the i7-5930k in case that caused any confusion.

 

[Rakk]

The spec I was referring to a couple of posts back when talking about the spec I will likely now order was the one I listed in OP with the i7-4790k, not the i7-5930k in case that caused any confusion.

Might be helpful if your post your new spec so people can see exactly what it has evolved into