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ASHENTI

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I bought a PCS system back in August and absolutely love it. I am in the early stages of looking to spec another build. Max budget £2000, I know this is slightly over. My main inquiry is should I go with the 8 core Ryzen 7 or should I go with the Ryzen 5 5600X which is getting rave reviews. I obviously want this to be as future proof as possible. I know I could upgrade my current build but daughter off to Uni in Sept and the plan is she will take my current build hence why I am starting from scratch.

I will be playing 1440p and have an MSI 27" CURVED 165Hz monitor.

Nurse and Spider were extremely helpful on my last build which was build to their recommendations hence why I'm back as I am very pleased with the build I have.
 
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Ash_

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Change your cooler and storage and you’re there.

5800X is probably the best cpu there is for gaming. Add the coolermaster 240 and it will be kept nicely cool.

Add a 500gb 980 pro, to take advantage of pcie4 and have a 1TB SSD (firecuda, 970, pcs) for main storage etc.

Also if it’s purely gaming and MSFS20 isn’t a game you play, you can drop to 16gb ram.

Edit: if you dont play strategy games etc, i’d say a 5600X/3070 would be a better combo. If you get a 500Gb 980 pro and a 1TB pcs ssd, i think you should be able to afford the 5800/3070
 
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ASHENTI

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Thank You ASH for your input. Do you think the 5800X is future proof enough? I know the next gen consoles have 8 cores and I've seen some people say 6 cores for gaming is on the way out in the next year or two? I enjoy MSFS20 so probably need the 32GB. If dropped down to the 5600X would the stock cooler be enough or would you still go with the coolermaster 240? Again thank you for the input.
 
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ASHENTI said:
Thank You ASH for your input. Do you think the 5800X is future proof enough? I know the next gen consoles have 8 cores and I've seen some people say 6 cores for gaming is on the way out in the next year or two? I enjoy MSFS20 so probably need the 32GB. If dropped down to the 5600X would the stock cooler be enough or would you still go with the coolermaster 240? Again thank you for the input.
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Personally i play a lot of strategy games etc and join discords etc and have other things running, whilst in games, so a 5800X is my choice. Plus in 5 years time or so, 8 core 16 thread could be the standard.

Coolermaster i would personally always advise that or the Noctua for a 5600/5800X.

Consoles have 8 cores, but the way their boost works etc is different and it’s 8 cores of last gen architecture i believe, equal to a 3700XT or something.
 
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Ah i just realised, the 3070 and 3060ti have a bigger price difference again. The extra few frames, aren’t worth the £160 or so, if you have to sacrifice other vital upgrades
 
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Nursemorph said:
I was not planning to adjust the spec to get the exact same price!! No, I lie...I was aiming for exactly £2060....honest :cautious:



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Hi Nurse. Are the PCS M.2 SSD viable for gaming speed wise? Thanks again.
 
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ASHENTI

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Ash_ said:
Ah i just realised, the 3070 and 3060ti have a bigger price difference again. The extra few frames, aren’t worth the £160 or so, if you have to sacrifice other vital upgrades
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Yeah I was torn between these two cards but the 3060ti just seems such good value. All being said it's all irrelevant at the minute because nobody can buy them unless you want to spend silly money. Any idea on when or if the stock levels will get back to some normality??
 
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Just to add to that, on another forum i saw a guy, who was complaining about poor fps with a 3080... it was because he was cpu bound... so he went out and bought loads of new gear and bought the ‘fastest’ of everything, so 4400mhz ram... performance was not much better than before the £700 spend or so.

The 4400mhz ram was like CAS 22 latency, so he downclocked it to 3600mhz with like CAS 15 and experienced absolutely incredible performance boost.

For me, 3600C16 is the absolute sweet spot, for performance and price, followed by 3200C16 and then 3600C18
 
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ASHENTI said:
Quick question Nurse. 3200 Ram instead of 3600? Would there be a noticeable drop in speed??
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Using 3600 may also cause an issue if you plan to increase your memory in the future. There are threads on here where others have reported stability issues with Asus MB's when attempting to run 4 modules at 3600.
 
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A L-pc said:
Using 3600 may also cause an issue if you plan to increase your memory in the future. There are threads on here where others have reported stability issues with Asus MB's when attempting to run 4 modules at 3600.
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I believe I read there's an issue with AMD and 4 sticks of RAM and you're better using x2 16gb as opposed to x4 8gb.
 
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Ash_ said:
I’m not too sure on what ram they use, but 3200mhz CL16 is better than 3600 CL18 ram, especially for gaming, so if it is 3200C16 ram, then it should be plenty.
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I believe, I could well be wrong, but both the 3200MHz and 3600MHz RAM are CL18 with PCS.
Know for a fact 3600MHz is CL18 and I'm sure ive seen it mentioend regarding the 3200MHz too.

Its really a budget/particularness issue, the 3600MHz will get you a slight improvement in performance, but its only slight.
So it's whether you think its worth the extra cash, which is a personal choice really (money is a very relative thing)
 
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ASHENTI said:
I believe I read there's an issue with AMD and 4 sticks of RAM and you're better using x2 16gb as opposed to x4 8gb.
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Yeah it's started popping up again recently, theres been a couple of posts in the last few days alone regarding 4 sticks.
AMD perform better with 2 sticks in general, so not a bad thing really unless you have no option than to use all four, but few builds are in that position (you are talking professional level video/photo editing and heavy CAD design type stuff where you need much more RAM)
 
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Yeah it's started popping up again recently, theres been a couple of posts in the last few days alone regarding 4 sticks.
AMD perform better with 2 sticks in general, so not a bad thing really unless you have no option than to use all four, but few builds are in that position (you are talking professional level video/photo editing and heavy CAD design type stuff where you need much more RAM)
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AMD actually performs better with 4 DIMMS over 2
 
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sibun1 said:
I believe, I could well be wrong, but both the 3200MHz and 3600MHz RAM are CL18 with PCS.
Know for a fact 3600MHz is CL18 and I'm sure ive seen it mentioend regarding the 3200MHz too.

Its really a budget/particularness issue, the 3600MHz will get you a slight improvement in performance, but its only slight.
So it's whether you think its worth the extra cash, which is a personal choice really (money is a very relative thing)
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I believe each reduction in CL results in something like 1% improvement, so 16 is 2% better than 18 (although i’m not sure if that is also with differing mhz speeds).

In comparison, a 3070 is say a 25% (not sure on the exact amount. Just an example) improvement on the 3060ti... under normal pricing, the difference should be £80 or so (currently not the case), where as the ram pricing is £40 between 16-18. So generally, ram is an uneconomical upgrade once you’re above say 3200mhz C18, unless it’s your only bottleneck.
 
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AMD actually performs better with 4 DIMMS over 2
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Really? Why were people saying AMD performs better with 2 sticks then?
Or have I misunderstood....where they referring perhaps to single stick?....very confused now :O
 
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sibun1 said:
Really? Why were people saying AMD performs better with 2 sticks then?
Or have I misunderstood....where they referring perhaps to single stick?....very confused now :O
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I don't think anyone has said it performs better with 2?

Only that there are stability issues with 4 dimms at 3600MHz mostly on Asus boards, and sometimes elsewhere, but that's a BIOS issue with the DOCP voltages that will likely be fixed with a BIOS update hopefully soon.

But they found DDR4 works better with 4 DIMMS on both Intel and AMD platforms.

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