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Yes, AMD destop CPUs are open for undervolting while their laptop CPUs generally are not. Intels counterparts are normally different. It takes some learning and experimentation to get a grasp of it. Thanks for the input, all the same. On topic, I can only say that my Vantage has an i9...

Even if it's a bit off-topic, and my old Defiance V is just my backup laptop at the moment, may I ask what tools you use to undervolt? Nothing can be done within the BIOS or the tools that came with it, so I guess it's either ThrottleStop or Intel XTU (if your CPU is Intel). ThrottleStop is...

I agree. No TongFang seems to go higher than that.

To me, this is not pointless bickering. It was news to me that the RTX 3080-version did not have the full 150+15 TDP, and I was trying to figure out why.

I believe you. However, competitors with the same TongFang chassi does not share that assessment. Neither does competitors with different chassis. I am not sure if I am allowed to mention them here.

Well, I cannot guarantee about the Valeon. That was just an educated guess since it has max TDP on 3070. What I was saying is that there are laptops out there with 165W. Any idea why the 3080 on Valeon isn't?

Yes, it is! 150W + 15W = 165W. This is the maximum TDP according to Nvidia, if the laptop manufacturer chooses it. The 3070 is 140W + 15W = 155W.

Yes, and with the 3080 it's 150W (+15W).

And I just thought I had made up my mind... :(

Lazy or stupid question, perhaps, but how exactly do you run it without the demo?

Well, no. Compared to the full 2080 or 3080, there is a huge price gap. About the 2070 Max-P vs. 2080 Max-Q or the 3000 equivalent, I am not sure. I think it's about the same. It's not like the price for the GPU is stated separately. You would have to play around with the configurator, which I...

That's because those AMD laptop CPUs ARE fantastic. Everybody wants one, especially Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9. They are as good as Intel desktops except for the absolute top tier. I don't know if I am allowed to link to this score, but I just handed over a brand new laptop to a friend with a Ryzen 7...

I updated both my graphics driver and 3dmark to the latest version and that did the trick. Voilá! Stock Chassis and Spec Firestrike 3DMark Graphics Physics Avg. GPU Temps URL Defiance V 17" / i7-8750H / RTX 2080 Max-Q 16631 21280 14033 62° Link A pretty decent score IMO. The talk about...

Still hanging in there it seems. Stock Chassis and Spec Firestrike 3DMark Graphics Physics Avg. GPU Temps URL Defiance V 17" / i7-8750H / RTX 2080 Max-Q 16674 21319 13874 62° Link WTF? I get an invalid score no matter what I do, it seems. I don't know who or what fiddled with any...

But as far as I know, no version of the 3070 has a max TGP of only 85W. I suppose the manufacturer could have limited it to a very low level.

I didn't link, but I mentioned competing products. If that is against the forum rules, my apologies. All the same PCS should disclose the TGP for every GPU configured.

Well, I seems to have been censored for mentioning competing laptop-manufacturers. At the same time nVidia have made an official statement requiring their resellers to publish the TGP of their graphics cards. So now it definitely concerns PCS.

I found out that any 10th gen Intel CPU can not coexist with the flagship RTX 3080 (Max-P) or so I've been told from various sources. The 11th gen CPUs are required for that, and they haven't really been released yet. I am talking laptops here. I cannot find an example to disprove it anyway.

So do I. As of today I couldn't recommend a Vengeance to a friend because of this. I had to direct him to a very nice ASUS with a Zen 3-based AMD CPU and fully powered RTX 3070. It was a no-brainer. I could have made a call, but when they have the ASUS on stock in a shop around the corner, why...

I thought so too, but thanks for confirming it and saving me loads of time. :)