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Right so you don't have numbers, you're just guessing. And what crusade, exactly? I'm not sure that "requiring a new driver does not also require reinstalling Windows" constitutes a crusade.

OK, so no need for a fresh install of Windows then.

And no, it's not just my understanding. There's no way to know what features they've installed even if the customer purchases the license. Well, perhaps if the customer is cyber-psychic or something.

In what way do they install Windows differently to how they would do it if the license had been purchased by the customer? How do they validate that everything is working if what they're setting up and sending on isn't in a working state, except for a valid license?

What's the ratio of them? How many are "self-inflicted" vs those that are "whatever else" vs those that are from activating the pre-installed Windows? And how many who activate the pre-installed Windows have no problems?

And yet plenty of people have problems with systems that come with Windows already activated. And, as evidenced, people who reinstall Windows.

Of course it makes no difference. Just as reinstalling the same drivers and other software that PCS already installed doesn't make a difference. I already sent the machine back for a refund (not specifically because of the temperatures).

Considering that even if Windows is already activated it's an unknown test system and not necessarily configured correctly (I was told that this is the case) then activating Windows myself would be identical. Even if PCS activates Windows there's no telling what features they've installed, etc...

Which has no bearing on activating and configuring what's installed on the machine since it's presumably Windows.

That likely depends on what testing they do. Presumably they'd have to install all the correct drivers to be able to conduct valid tests of the system. And if a standard out-of-the-box install is what comes on a laptop that is bought with a Windows license then the same install would have to...

What you get from PCS is a clean install of Windows, so I doubt there's any truth to the claim that a clean install of Windows is any sort of deciding factor. I'm returning the laptop for a refund. Not because of the thermal problems, which are certainly there - mostly the chassis getting...

Yeah, several problems. The top and bottom of the machine get really hot (> 50 degress celsius) and when I reported a bug in the Gaming Center software the suggestion was to reinstall Windows.

I'm not sure how it can be that higher temperatures are normal (as per your response to ESwindells) and not normal at the same time.

I had similar temperatures when playing BL3. I have a cooling stand, but I've yet to find one that does more than keep the bottom of the laptop at a reasonable temperature - no impact on internal temperatures. I've locked the GPU to 1380MHz using MSI Afterburner and that has kept the...

I'll be getting a desktop machine at some point in the not-too-distant future. Unfortunately I can't afford both right now and I need a laptop. One reason I chose the Recoil over the Vyper or Defiance was the extra 3mm depth and the hopes that would improve the thermals. I did briefly...

Yeah, I don't think I'll get it much below that. Ideally I don't want the temperatures sitting above 70 for any length of time for system longevity. I'd love it if I could get the general running temperatures down to no more than 40 when just doing mundane day-to-day stuff that uses minimal...

Thanks. There are several ThermalTake Massives, though. One is £20 and the others are £70+, at least on Amazon.

Any help will be much appreciated. I've tried locking the clock on the GPU to the spec'd boost of 1380MHz. That's reduced the max temperature under heavy load to 70. Which is pretty much the minimum under heavy load too unless I turn on fan boost in game and turbo mode in Gaming Centre. With...

Great, thanks. I'll give it a try and see how the machine behaves.

So far there doesn't seem to be anything that reduces the temperatures. I'm currently trying to get Afterburner set up to show the stats while playing - I've been quickly going back and forth between the game and the desktop to check on temperatures on the CPU, GPU and SSDs. The temperatures...